Help - Conflicting info from Radenso and ALP Sensor placement

Discussion in 'Laser Jammer Placement Suggestions' started by Starz26, Sep 11, 2018.

  1. Starz26

    Starz26 Learning to Drive General User

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    I have having the Radenso and ALP combination installed.

    I have a BMW X3 M40i and the grills are not wide enough to mount the standard sensors horizontally...

    Radenso sends 3 standard sensors in their package for the front. In Ohio Dragon Eye is everywhere.

    Radenso says to mount the ALP heads below the lights.

    ALP says that would be way too low and that I would need a TX sensor mounted Horizontally in the grill with the 2 standard sensors mounted vertically in the grill as outlined on their website.

    Can anyone confirm that the best placement is indeed the 2 vertical standard with one horizontal tx? The reason I am trying to get confirmation is because it is an additional $400 use for the Tx sensor and GPS antenna since the Radenso ALP package does not come with them.

    Looking forward to your thoughts.
     
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    Z400Racer37 Learning to Fly Beginner User

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    From what I understand, if you have the TX head hooked up, it turns the RX heads into receive only when hit with DragonEye, and the TX does all the transmitting. As such, The orientation of the receiving heads is much less relevant, since they're not needed for jamming, and if the TX is in the center you should be covered.

    Maybe someone can confirm/clarify this though.
     
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    Starz26 Learning to Drive General User

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    Thanks.

    Any thoughts on the viability of all 3 standard sensors being mounted below the grill and headlights? I think they would be too low, like ALP says, to provide adequate coverage for all laser types
     
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    Z400Racer37 Learning to Fly Beginner User

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    Convenient as it looks like that may be for mounting, I'd have to agree that it's too low.

    I was thinking about buying an M5 actually, and my strategy was going to be to buy some aftermarket kidney grills, and just machine holes in them, slide the jammers in, and hold them in place with hot glue. Works great with my current cars, I would just feel horrible taking a Dremel to OEM plastic.

    PY004 may have more to say about the jamming process of TX/RX combos, and what positions would be relevant for which heads, and which guns. Though I can't seem to tag people using this app...
     
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    Yes If you look at the various BMW install threads here, most folks have the same issue. the Two RX and one TX setup is the way to go on a BMW, they test well against the dragon in the Two RX and one TX configuration. make sure the TX is horizontal, it fits in the grill like this as it's small enough, the RX head go vertical.

    www.rdforum.org: 2018 BMW X3 ALP "QUINT" installation suggestions <---BMW X3
    www.rdforum.org: ALP with TX - BMW install - Front and Rear JTG against the Dragon

    The three RX heads that low below the lights is not ideal for dragoneye, it would do OK for other guns, but I suspect dragoneye would punch through three RX heads mounted that low
     
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    Starz26 Learning to Drive General User

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    Thank you so much. Helps me confirm which direction I need to go.
     
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    I know that's the case for the rear heads, but I haven't been given a clear answer if it's true for the front as well. I think that information is only available with higher level access.

    I have a two Rx and 1 Tx install in my M4, with the Rx heads mounted vertically, and it was JTG against the DESL and DEC. I understand why some people don't like the idea of mounting the Rx heads vertically, but I prefer it to mounting them lower.
     
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    Three standard heads, when mounted properly, will provide you with full protection. The TX head was introduced to help with some difficult installs and combat future threats, but it is not required for Dragon protection. There are plenty of vehicles where a TX head cannot be installed due to height requirements, and they are fine with 3 standard heads.

    The TX head does greatly simplify the install on BMWs, and potentially helps "future proof" you against new threats. If you decide to add the TX head, you can move the third standard head to the rear so you are at least notified of rear shots, and could later add a rear TX head for full protection.

    Regardless of what you do, be sure to get it tested! Having a false sense of security can be worse than none at all.
     
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    Starz26 Learning to Drive General User

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    Good information thank you.

    I will already have 2 standard heads on the rear will end up with an extra standard head. The front would have been mounted within 12-14" from the ground if I had went the route of installing all 3 horizontally below the headlights. I also believe they would have been to far below the hood....I will get measurements when I get the car back. Hopefully that will help others in the future.

    The conflicting information was concerning but everyone here has helped to identify which is most correct.

    I ended up purchasing a TX sensor with GPS from ALP and overnighted it to the installer. Overall cost was and additional $475 but at least it will be done i the best possible configuration.

    As for testing, I looked and there does not seem to be any testing events near me. I do not want to clutter this thread but if anyone knows of a tester in Ohio that has a DragonEye I would love to get in contact with them. Otherwise, testing is going to have to be trial by fire.....
     
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    @Starz26 See here: www.rdforum.org: Laser Jammer Tester Directory

    Also feel free to post a picture of your install. Many installers do not understand laser jammers and will not install them in optimal places, instead going for convenience or aesthetics. Heads should be straight and level, and protruding a nickle's thickness from surrounding bodywork. Good luck!
     
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    Starz26 Learning to Drive General User

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    Thanks. No listings for OH that I saw. Will check again to double check.

    I will post pictures as well as measurements for the install as well as the originally proposed install in this thread once I get it back.
     
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    Hi Starz26,

    I tried to call you earlier today (I got your number from support), but for some reason I could not get through.

    Not only do I have a lot of experience installing on BMWs, but I have two of them in my driveway - a M2 and a X1. I also own every version of every Dragoneye gun.

    Three regular sensors on your car in each air intake area will cover your car fine. A TX sensor will also work, but you must be VERY CAREFUL about placement of it. This is why we include three regular sensors in our kit - we have not found a single application where a TX is absolutely necessary, but there are lots of situations where a TX hurts performance if the installer is not an absolute expert. For example, on your car I asked the installer to measure the distance from the ground to the top of the air intake, and it was only 14 inches - this is too low for a TX (you will get instant punch throughs). It will have to be mounted to in the grill, which poses other potential issues.

    With the particular grill on the X3, I have concerns about coverage of headlights if the vertical heads are even SLIGHTLY recessed. I know this because I had that setup on my M2 with a TX and extensively tested it. You will have to accept that the heads are going to stick out past the grill if you want coverage. Otherwise, you will get better performance with three regular sensors mounted low.

    You are only an hour and a half away from our office. Once the install is done, I invite you to meet up with us (I can meet you in the middle, perhaps West Chester) and we can do some testing with a Dragoneye if you'd like. Either way, we will work closely with your installer to make sure that the job is done right.

    Thanks,

    -Jon
     
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    Super impressed with your offer to test your customer. Good on you!!
     
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    Heywood Learning Something New, Still Dying Stupid Advanced User Premium Member

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    That’s very generous of you Jon.

    Things like that go a long way


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    It's just convinced me to buy an RC-M with ALPs. I have a Pro M now, but Jon and Randy's participation in this forum is just unreal. Love dealing with people who are passionate about what they do for a living.
     
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    Totally agree. Jon and Randy are both absolutely outstanding. I've had the pleasure of talking to them a couple times and every time they made me feel like a king. I haven't seen this level of customer support from anyone else in this industry. Their history where they were regular consumers before they became vendors really shows in their commitment to improve customer service.
     
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    Great customer service.
     
  18. Starz26

    Starz26 Learning to Drive General User

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    I did not plan on placing the Tx sensor in the air intake. Based on what ALP and the members of this forum suggested, I told the installer to install the Tx horizontal in the grill and the regular sensors vertically in the grill. I also passed along to them that they need to extend beyond the grill a nickels thickness (as suggested above) The fact that the air intake is only 14 inches off the ground is what concerned me as well..

    I am no expert and was relying on information obtained from others. Unfortunately, I am already into it for the money and had the Tx sensor overnighted to the installer already as I was on a shipment deadline. But we can now test both scenarios to verify :)

    FYI: I did not receive a call so I bet support transposed a few numbers.

    I will defiantly take you up on your offer to test once it is done. I will send you a PM with my contact info. In the end, once we get it tested and all worked out hopefully everyone can benefit. Although not sure how we will test the 3 standard sensors in the air intake but I am sure you have a quick way to temporarily install them to do a test.

    I also want to echo what the others have said about the customer service, it is amazing. Makes me glad I purchased what I did.
     
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