Radenso Pro M vs. MRCT (USA)

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  1. cihkal

    cihkal Level 3 SA Advanced User Acceptus Premium Member

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    Note: Tapatalk goofs up how the videos are listed, but in a browser they are listed nicely.

    Recently I found out through other members' hard work that all of the speed cameras in Chicago are MRCT units. I always wondered why all detectors would either not alert at all, or in the case of the V1 alert right at the camera. I was pleasantly surprised because I now have a Pro M and live very close to one of these darn devices! Before I get to the testing videos and highlight of some of the results, below is information on the cameras:

    Picture of the cameras
    Speed Camera.jpg

    Camera Threats in Chicago: Red = Red Light Cam, Yellow = License Plate Cam, Green = Speed Cam
    Camera Threats Map.png
    Specifics on the camera I tested against
    Speed Camera Data.png
    FCCID listing for the camera posted as an attachment below in this post...

    As for the results, I made runs with every setting combo. As time goes on I will continue to make runs since it will take quite a bit of data to get a good feel on how each settings combo really works. From my understanding from posts on MRCD (different threat) results can be all over the place. Overall though, for a tough threat like this I am very happy with the results.

    Quick notes on findings from multiple runs which are not all highlighted in this post:
    1. I recommend MRCT Wide and MR Filter High for adequate detection and minimized false alerts.
    2. I would not run MRCT Narrow and MR Filter High as the M would not alert to the camera at all or in a ticket scenario almost every time I tested with these settings. More runs need to be completed, but I did not see this with other settings.
    Snapshot of results with my preferred settings of MRCT Wide and MR Filter High:

    Approaching the camera with radar shooting at my car
    MRCT Wide MR Filter High.png
    Approaching the camera FF, run #1
    MRCT Wide MR Filter High FF #1.png
    Approaching the camera FF, run #2
    MRCT Wide MR Filter Wide FF #2.png

    Videos of each run.. sorry for the brief language in one (I think)
    Radenso Pro M MRCT Wide & MR Filter Off vs. MRCT FF

    Radenso Pro M MRCT Wide & MR Filter Low vs. MRCT FF


    Radenso Pro M MRCT Wide & MR Filter High vs. MRCT FF #1


    Radenso Pro M MRCT Wide & MR Filter High vs. MRCT FF #2


    Radenso Pro M MRCT Wide & MR Filter High vs. MRCT


    Radenso Pro M MRCT Narrow & MR Filter Off vs. MRCT FF


    Radenso Pro M MRCT Narrow & MR Filter Low vs. MRCT FF


    Radenso Pro M MRCT Narrow & MR Filter High vs. MRCT FF
     

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  2. InsipidMonkey

    InsipidMonkey Premium Monkey Advanced User Acceptus Premium Member

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    Interesting observation. I wonder what defines MRCT Wide vs Narrow, as I believe they scan/sweep multiple frequencies during operation?
     
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    dudeinnz NZCTG Moderator Advanced User Premium Member

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    Awesome work!

    Does vertical mounting help with MRCT? Another test for another weekend perhaps.


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    cihkal Level 3 SA Advanced User Acceptus Premium Member

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    I'm not sure what the polarization is of these cameras, but I'll find out! If they are like the newest Gatso then I'll see if I can order the vertical mount Genevo recently released.
     
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    I'm not sure, but I did find a post with someone testing the Genevo One M against MRCT and having issues narrow. I think Genevo mentioned that narrow was sometimes missing the signal. Who knows if that is even relevant anymore and plus since that's the One M and this is the Pro M it might not even apply.

    I'll do more testing and give the results to Radenso so they can look into if possible.
     
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    dudeinnz NZCTG Moderator Advanced User Premium Member

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    There is this as well if you wanted to test the V1 out.

    Vertical bracket for Valentine One V1 radar detector! | eBay


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    cihkal Level 3 SA Advanced User Acceptus Premium Member

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    Nice, and come to think of it I believe the cameras are polarized such that for maximum detection you would want a vertical mount. Luckily it does pretty well, but I'll look into getting different mounts for more testing.
     
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    Heywood Learning Something New, Still Dying Stupid Advanced User Premium Member

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    Very well done.

    Great work and great detail.


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    Nice Videos!
    MRCT has vertical Polarisation.
     
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    Thanks for the confirmation, then that means the traditional horizontal mounts works best right?
     
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    Very Nice! Thanks for sharing!
     
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    Great job! Nice write-up!
     
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    Yes!
     
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    Thankfully they only appear on city streets from everything I've seen. Chicago wants their money, but they're also concerned with traffic flow. It's all stupid. For redlight cameras they've made the yellow light instantly change. You can't make it through a yellow without getting a ticket or be traveling at triple digits. People watch the crosswalk timers and will slow at a green light because they know in 2sec it's going to change and they'd be ticketed for getting caught in a yellow to red light transition - it's that fast.

    Chicago is probably one of the worst places in the US for automated ticketing measures now that we know they have MRCT. Thankfully they keep a public database on all these threats.

    On an unrelated note, MRCT narrow and MR Filter low provides adequate detection and thus far fewer false alerts than MRCT wide and MR Filter high. Need more seat time, but this may become my preferred settings combo.

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    Great work! That last video of no detection in narrow - yikes. So yeah, looks like your recommended wide MR filter high is the way to go when running the Pro-M.

    By the way, are the other fixed cameras locations you listed are adequately covered by the Pro-M's Speed Cam alerts. I wonder if Waze covers them?

    I guess if the Speed Cam alerts have the fixed ones covered it's no big deal what the detection range is, but for ones they move around, that could be nightmarish!
     
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    That's insane. So need international units in the US? Also with the bogus super fast yellow to red lights, what are you supposed to do in winter time. Slam on the brakes to not "run the red" and get rear ended by the guy behind you? If the roads suck, or you're just stuck in the middle of a intersection you just have to go through. People just need to drive with some sense and handle themselves. Though sure that's just revenue collecting rather than safety-actually the opposite of safety way more accidents like that
     
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    For the most part the Pro M's database covers the cameras pretty well, and Waze does to. You def can get by with a RD that doesn't have MRCT capabilities, but the nice part is just knowing if the camera is in fact on and targeting you. Some of the cameras turn on and off, supposedly, for traffic flow.

    For the Pro M, it won't alert with Narrow and High. It will for all others with narrow and low working pretty well. Wide and High works really well but gives more falses than narrow and low.
     
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    I believe they rotate the cameras between different locations. The cameras are quite expensive so they place them in one location for a few days, then they take them to another location etc. Motorists just don't know if the camera is in place or if it is just a dummy. You only know for sure if you run a detector capable of detecting the radar.
     
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    Annnd this is why I avoid IL when I head south. Good read, I will be heading to IN in September with my Pro M.
     
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