Is the RPSE now dead?

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  1. TGinAZ

    TGinAZ Learning to Drive General User

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    Have we seen the last update to the RPSE? Yes, it's quieter now, and it's certainly a great detector, but I still see false detections (although I'm not smart enough to provide many details). And since my hobbies consume most of my resources, I am not looking to replace my RPSE with anything newer, I'll stick with it. But I have to wonder about future updates....
     
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    We can only hope that as improvements are made to the newer detectors, they will eventually trickle down to the ProSe. I’m reading people are happy with the latest update but, took my unit out on the Ohio turnpike and too many semi’s were still setting it off IMHO.


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    I bought one last year and sent it back, it was a turd.
     
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    If you look back on old testings, before the world changed and the FW updates, the ProSe was keeping up with the o’redline.


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  5. Jon at Radenso

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    If there is a material upgrade to be made, we will make it. But like any device, what we can do is hardware limited. The latest version of iOS does not run on the iPhone 3.
     
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    iPhone 3's didn't sell at $500 last year. I would hope that a little more refinement comes it's way.
     
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    The Pro SE came out three years ago, you purchased at EOL. This is how technology companies work. Anyone that purchased at full price in the last six months we gave a trade in offer that exceeds any other radar detector company in the industry.

    I purchased a new Macbook Pro two weeks ago, and today they just updated the same model as me to a quad core that is twice as powerful. So I definitely understand how you feel, but companies would be out of business if they never updated their products and if they gave everyone free upgrades. And then you would have no radar detectors to buy.
     
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    I think that the reason some people get a little touchy is the general impression is there is no difference between the ProSe inners and the Pro M except for a small pcb add in / upgrade. Didn’t know the processor was twice as powerful and memory was doubled...
    And again, the upgrade offer was outstanding and appreciated by all that benefited from it.



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    I purchased the Pro...received a discount on the ProSE. . but fell short of the offer for the ProM. .. since I purchased the ProSE when it first came out... I exceeded the 6 months.
     
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    "No difference between the inners besides a small pcb upgrade."

    Do you guys have any idea how much it costs to design the hardware, implement, and write firmware for a "small pcb upgrade?" And then get new packaging, new UPCs, new distribution pricing pushed out, get it loaded into distribution systems, write new manuals, etc?

    The answer is several hundred grand, cash. If you're going to be picky about the tech analogies, you can consider the small pcb upgrade akin to Google adding a dedicated AI processor to their phones. That should explain why the new detectors can do things that three year old ones can't.

    Just like new laptops can do things three year old ones can't.

    Just like new phones can do things three year old ones can't.

    Just like new cars can do things three year old ones can't.

    We gave away over $20k our cost of free Pro Ms to users simply because I was trying to help our customers out. If that's not good enough, go buy an Escort and enjoy the lockups. And then when you email them, enjoy their support staff telling you that they don't respond to emails due to "overwhelming demand."

    To be honest with you, the amount of grief we got over it seriously made our staff question whether it was worth doing. Our support staff was basically abused by forum customers calling in complaining that they missed the cutoff date by "only 8 months."
     
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  11. Deacon

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    But it does run on phones still 5 years old, regardless of anything my 8 Plus can do that the 5S can’t.

    The Pro SE was released for the first time less than 3 years ago. The “Pro SE M-Edition” was released about 1 year ago, concurrently available with the RPSE for some time, until the Pro M took over fully under the new No Limits ownership.

    When taking over Radenso I seem to recall promises that the existing crop of detectors wouldn’t get left behind. And this January you said, “we are focusing resources on getting it right on the Pro M which is then easily ported to the Pro SE.” This is ostensibly because in the same post you clarified that, “The Pro SE and Pro M share the same basic architecture.”

    So doing a 180 and claiming the RPSE is hardware limited for the firmware improvements (including BSM filtering) done on the M leaves us feeling confused and, frankly, lied to.

    So it doesn’t really seem relevant how much it cost Genovo to make a new MRCD-capable version of the One or for Radenso to whitelabel it and rework the firmware for it (and market it and make packaging for it, etc). It doesn’t seem unreasonable for people to expect that their costly top shelf detectors from a trusted brand will get the firmware updates that were promised, especially when they are “easily ported from the M to the SE,” even if those updates have to lag a little behind the initial releases for the M. And it seems like your analogy of the M being like a new MacBook with twice the processing power is misleading at best, downright disingenuous at worst.
     
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    I am not saying that we will never update the Pro SE again. If you go back and actually read my previous post, you will see that I said when there are meaningful updates we will do so.

    But to expect an old detector with different hardware to receive the exact same updates and performance as a newer hardware generation is not just ridiculous, but impossible. If that was the case, nobody would ever come out with new hardware, but rather keep releasing magical firmware updates for 30 years that kept improving performance.

    Things like features will be ported over, but the whole reason we released a new hardware version was to increase the performance potential. And when ready, I will do the same thing again. And again. Until we have the best detector in the world on every single measurable front.
     
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    So there are two distinct hardware revisions over the last year for the Pro M, with the v2 constituting a major architecture upgrade with substantially faster processing capacity than the v1, and it’s only the v1 of the Pro M that shares the same basic architecture as the Pro SE? Wouldn’t that mean that the Pro M v1 would get left behind with the SE?

    It’s getting more and more difficult to reconcile the different positions being taken, here. First, earlier this year, the M and the SE share the same basic architecture (M just adds MRCD), and while new firmware development is done first for the M, it’s then easily ported to the SE. Now, however, you seem to be saying the M represents a major leap forward in the architecture, with substantially more hardware “performance” so the SE can’t keep up.

    The only thing we on the outside know that the M can do that the SE can’t is detect MRCD. If they still share the basic architecture, it’s difficult to understand why suddenly it’s no longer easy to port firmware updates over to the SE (MRCD code removed, of course). If the truth is that it’s simply that maintaining the detectors released by Michael as Radenso is no longer something No Limits feels is desirable, and if people want updates they should buy a new M instead with No Limits on the box and balance sheets, then why not just say that? I realize some might be angry about it and feel like promises are being broken, but why not at least rip that band-aid off so everyone knows where they stand? I mean, how many people outside this thread would even know the difference?
     
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    I think the another difference is the BSM chip that was added to the ProM and RC-M that makes it different than the RPSE and original Hd+.
     
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    No, because I upgraded every single gen 1 owner for free:

    www.rdforum.org: Upgrade Program for Pro M and Pro SE Customers


    Reading our previous posts would be a good start.

    They do share the same architecture. But the Gen 2 Pro M has hardware changes made to improve BSM, as I have said from day one. Same architecture does not mean exactly the same hardware. It means the main RF engine, antenna, menu settings, etc are the same.

    In terms of BSM filtering, that is absolutely right.

    Incorrect. As I stated in the original release post of the Gen 2 Pro M, as well as in the upgrade post, the Gen 2 Pro M features a hardware change that improves BSM filtering.

    As I have said multiple times, firmware updates will be ported. But just like we can't port MRCD over (because the Pro SE doesn't have MRCD capable hardware), I can't port all of the BSM filtering improvements over (because the Pro SE doesn't have that hardware inside).
     
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    Exactly. I apologize if I was not clear about this in the Gen 2. Pro M intro thread, the upgrade announcement, this thread, Vortex's videos, and everywhere else I have discussed it.
     
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    Ok, thank you very much for clarifying. That makes a lot more sense to me.

    EDIT: In the future, rather than telling people life sucks and get over it because iOS or MacBooks or whatever, it would probably be a lot easier to say something more like, “The current M has hardware upgrades for BSM filtering that the older SE does not. For improvements that can be ported over to the SE, we will, but the newer M will always be better in that regard because of its improved hardware. We offered a special upgrade promotion for SE owners on RDF, but that’s over now.”
     
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    "If there is a material upgrade to be made, we will make it. But like any device, what we can do is hardware limited."

    That was what I was trying to convey with that post. I apologize I did not do a better job.
     
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    But the latest iOS will run on an iPhone 5S released in 2013 !!
    You picked a bad company to compare with ;)

    Maybe Samsung would be a better choice to compare with.
     
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    Yeah, it will run, but about as well as a Cobra detects KA 35.5!

    If you want to take advantage of the full features of the OS, including the AI features, you will need to pony up for the new hardware.
     
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