LowPowerKBand Shootout

Discussion in 'Countermeasure Testing & Related Videos' started by The Only Sarge, Jul 9, 2018.

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    Do you have any videos of the runs?
     
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    The Only Sarge 7 decades of hauling ass Advanced User MFG/Vendor

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    Your asking a guy who cannot even take a selfie. But I do like that idea.....
     
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    No, @The Mighty Four Banger was without a dashcam, and we used his car for the mule. He’s right, though, for the most part it was blip, blip blip, BLEEEEEEEEEEEEE
     
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    Sarge have you tested the 360c yet?
     
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    The Only Sarge 7 decades of hauling ass Advanced User MFG/Vendor

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    Send it to me
     
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    FWIW, I brought along this cheap $27 Cobra dash cam: www.rdforum.org: $30 1080p Cobra Dash Cam w/GPS when NPark and I last tested (www.rdforum.org: NNJCTG - 05/08/18 Hamburg Tpke Course Ka 35.5 and X band Testing - R3, RL, Mag, Pro M, V1, 360c) and it worked great! I was happy with the video quality, has built-in GPS, and can power with a 12V adapter or USB cable. 8gb microSD card included. Can't beat it for the price.

    Cobra Drive 1080P Full HD Dash Cam with Internal GPS & G-Sensor - Yugster
    $3 coupon: Yugster - Yours Until Gone
     
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    LMAO.
     
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    This thread has been super informative. Didn't realize the average radar unit only has a 36 month lifespan. Makes me see these Stalker K bands in a much different light.
     
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    One of my best friends went to the dark side so he could have a pension. He worked in my town as a local and is now a deputy. Weve got 4 main cars in town. two have Stalker DSR's and two now have Stalker low power K band units. He once asked ME what the difference was because he preferred the Ka band units. Didn't even know there was a difference in band just that one was stronger and faster then the other.
    My towns a square mile. Beside having the rebate + the grant that they got with the next town over to purchase these units, there no place that they use them where the kill zone is more then about 800 feet. Theres no reason they HAVE to have Ka band that'll go what ? A mile or so?
    Its just a bitch for me because of the K band congestion through town.
     
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    Copy and paste this for the R3 1.4 requested features post? I thoughtI was nuts on the lockout grabbing a wider swath. Did not prove it at that time. Had similar thing happen near a hotel with K band door butler, and blocking out real thing one day that drove by.
     
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    I agree. @GTO_04 and I both are seeing same thing here in Indiana (although GTO has been doing much better attention to detail of models). It’s a epidemic. I reported awhile back of talking with a LEO about their tactics using K band unit which was near a shopping center door openers freq. He had been trained, or was very clever. Some know the difference, and claim they can run more constant on, nabbing people with RD who are numb to alerts at common spots, or their filters knock it out until too late. The one LEO I spoke with, claimed running constant on for non radar detector equipped cars is now more the norm, and catching those with RD in these cluttered streets of BSM, and door bogies while running constant has been routine and fun. I forget where I commented/posted (with detail) on a couple examples I spotted (and approaching the LEO to talk).
     
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    that may be an average, but as I said, ive been in the City Garages at many municipalities back when I did outside parts sales and there are many PDs running 10+year old units.
     
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    I hope to hell you are full of it. because if LEO knows how bad K is for us, and they start migrating back to it to "hide amongst the falses" we are sunk. I havent tested other RDs but I can tell you TMF on the V1 slows it way down from catching fast I/O from my Bushnell K gun. I could sit there and radar cars, getting speeds with fairly fast but not blisteringly quick shots and V1 wont make a sound. Without TMF on, V1 picks up at least most of those same shots.

    When we filter alerts, there is a trade off and from my testing with the V1 the tradeoffs are:

    1. less detection distance over hills, around curves, and off axis.
    2. loss of response to fast I/O

    So you introduce a leo who is shooting quick I/O in a sea of falses and youre having to run filters to keep from going insane, he has a good chance of toasting you, IMHO.
     
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    you told him that K band ****ing sucks, right? that he wont get the speed read distance that he will from Ka and any other cons to K that you could think of? I hope so...
     
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    Do you have a real (even if somewhat outdated) police K-band gun to duplicate those results you got with the Bushnell? I’m curious if the phenomenon mentioned of cheap guns looking more like BSMs applies.

    We here seem to flirt with the idea that obscurity is the next best thing to security, but this and many others are all fully public threads, viewable to anyone anywhere.
     
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    no, I dont. but I dont necessarily subscribe to that phenomenon, at least with the Bushnell. I have taped it to a pole before on a flat level 4 lane highway at night and gotten a detection at over 3 miles. I have gotten the same distance of detection on real police K before, with the same signal strengths, ramp up, etc. I think the Bushnell is very close to the output of a leo K gun. Even if the Bushnell is lower power than a "real police K gun" then it would be closer to this new low power K that we are talking about, hence we still have a problem.

    and I agree threads like this should not be public. I have stated my concern before with airing out our dirty laundry about BSMs and other K falses to leo, but it has fallen upon deaf ears.
     
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    Im sure the radar gun sales people and those that train officers do their homework and look for ways to beat our RD's. Its always been a cat and mouse game. But I agree with you @Deacon I think we are our own worse enemy on this issue. We make it pretty easy for them to find out what situations or guns cause our RD fits.
     
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    My curiosity is not about the power of the output but only of the “quality” of the output, where a “dirty” signal could take an extra moment to sort out whether it’s a modulated signal, as per the suggestion from @Jon at Radenso in post #114.
     
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    Also, not every Ka Stalker is going to be replaced by a K Patrol. Our local PD has all Ka stalkers, one 33.8 and one old K unit. Been that way for a decade. Sheriff's department is 100% Ka Stalkers, also no change in over a decade. THP is 100% Ka Stalker, again no change in over almost a decade.
     
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    Only If you knew the deal Stalker has out for Law enforcement now. Black Friday on Stalker K band is going on.

    Watch out !