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So regarding the RD side, Stinger has a new antenna called the HD+ antenna. I've had my system for a while and it's likely that I have the older HD antenna. I'm also running the older computer center with the plastic shell, not the newer one with the newer shell. Once I get home later this week, I'm going to go check which version of the antenna I have installed and see if it's the older HD antenna.

The newer HD+ antenna has better Ka sensitivity so the current version of the VIP should perform better than what I saw in testing, assuming I have the older version. Neither Stinger nor I thought about this before testing and they only brought it up once they saw my screenshots of what firmware versions I was running once I was getting into laser testing after the radar testing.
I was wondering about this as I've seen references to both but couldn't find any info from Stinger. Do you know if they plan on offering any sort of upgrade or trade-in program for the antennas or the "G" fibers? I reached out to them but haven't received a response.
 

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I was wondering about this as I've seen references to both but couldn't find any info from Stinger. Do you know if they plan on offering any sort of upgrade or trade-in program for the antennas or the "G" fibers? I reached out to them but haven't received a response.
That's a good question. I haven't asked about that or about continued updates for their previous gen products.
 

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I was wondering about this as I've seen references to both but couldn't find any info from Stinger. Do you know if they plan on offering any sort of upgrade or trade-in program for the antennas or the "G" fibers? I reached out to them but haven't received a response.
I would be interested if there is a new HD+ antenna and what it would cost. It's tough to get Stinger to respond to questions. If they did offer some kind of upgrade from the old to the new HD+ it might be a way to start building rapport with current customers to so they might continue to be customers.
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So regarding the RD side, Stinger has a new antenna called the HD+ antenna......... Once I get home later this week, I'm going to go check which version of the antenna I have installed and see if it's the older HD antenna.

The newer HD+ antenna has better Ka sensitivity so the current version of the VIP should perform better than what I saw in testing,....
So how can I tell which antenna (old vs new) I have ? hopefully there is something in settings that tells me.
Thanks
 
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You have to play with placement options on the stinger and test on each car. Stinger will jam almost to gun when done right and is lighting fast !
 

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You have to play with placement options on the stinger and test on each car. Stinger will jam almost to gun when done right and is lighting fast !
How specifically is it fast?
 

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You have to play with placement options on the stinger and test on each car. Stinger will jam almost to gun when done right and is lighting fast !
Agreed! It's super fiddly but once you have aligned correctly, it works very well.
 

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You have to play with placement options on the stinger and test on each car. Stinger will jam almost to gun when done right and is lighting fast !
Agree 100% - I have old system fiber TX and some square TX, mounting and aligning the fiber is the biggest challenge. On the square small bubble level helps conquer this challenge. For the fiber best I could come up with was find small enough straw to go over end and then using bubble level on that (not that accurate).

Since having very accurate installation (5 degrees up,etc) for the fiber to jam guns I wonder if Stinger will address this issue. Being off 1 degree means failure. I mounted my fiber TX in the space between my fenders and the hood (BMW X6M) which is directly over my head lights but mounting elsewhere I had failure as the fiber would move slightly.

So the old/new fiber is cool and allows for flexibility in places you can install them, the old squares are more reliable because they are easier to mount, level and not have them move.
 
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Definitely agree with others about the installation challenge. The squares can mostly be installed sensibly by leveling the squares with a level.

However the fibers are a challenge. Both getting the angle right, making sure it stays correct, and how they are spaced together.

If you can get all of that done, it’s simply marvelous and beautiful. But my experience has been that even slightly incorrect placement = basically IPT and when you have 6 or 8 things to move around and you basically have to do a run with a VPR and tight beam (eg Truspeed) gun, this is time consuming and frustrating.

I really feel the key to a successful Stinger install is an awesome installer. I hope Stinger works to get some preferred installers who can do these installs and offer to tweak them until they work.
 

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Please pardon my ignorance, if this is a really dumb question. If one is trying to correctly level and adjust three pairs of either laser fibres or squares (Tx/Rx pairs) over the front of a vehicle, can one not first cover two of the pairs and test one pair and then repeat this practice for the other two in turn. (i.e. only one pair at a time) Once you have overcome that difficult hurdle of alignment, then uncover all pairs and shoot to see where you may have any weak spots over the front, before hopefully assuming that you have reasonable safe laser defence coverage.
Will the Stinger system allow you to cover/block two sets of Tx/Rx heads in order to test the third, or should one just turn off the system, unplug pair one from the laser Analyser Box and plug in pair two and repeat the same for pair three?
Thanks for responding, especially if you have experience of a Stinger system with lasers.
 

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That's a good question. I haven't asked about that or about continued updates for their previous gen products.
Any chance you could reach out to Stinger and get some clarification on this? Myself and @mikedotd have reached out to Stinger without response. Maybe you will have better luck :)
 

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I have sent my request to Stinger.com, along with a couple of other queries, so let's see what transpires?
 

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If one is trying to correctly level and adjust three pairs of either laser fibres or squares (Tx/Rx pairs) over the front of a vehicle, can one not first cover two of the pairs and test one pair and then repeat this practice for the other two in turn. (i.e. only one pair at a time) Once you have overcome that difficult hurdle of alignment, then uncover all pairs and shoot to see where you may have any weak spots over the front, before hopefully assuming that you have reasonable safe laser defence coverage.
How would exposing only one pair of RX and TX at a time help you to level them?
 

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This is my theory, since I have not tried it yet, however using a Stinger tester at various different distances in front of the vehicle, you would want to see whether you are receiving a hit from your one exposed pair, and then adjusting them until you do. Then repeat the process individually for each of the other two pairs (if you have a three pair set). Once that is done, then you would test at various distances to see where you can shoot the vehicle's front and NOT get a response from your Stinger tester.
Am I way off track or does it make sense to those who are using Stinger lasers?
 

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This is my theory, since I have not tried it yet, however using a Stinger tester at various different distances in front of the vehicle, you would want to see whether you are receiving a hit from your one exposed pair, and then adjusting them until you do. Then repeat the process individually for each of the other two pairs (if you have a three pair set). Once that is done, then you would test at various distances to see where you can shoot the vehicle's front and NOT get a response from your Stinger tester.
Am I way off track or does it make sense to those who are using Stinger lasers?
I've never used the Stinger laser tester, but I was under the impression that it's a tool to be used in close proximity to the TX/RX heads, rather than from a distance like a lidar gun.

I like your methodology of testing each pair individually though, that would help pinpoint install problems.
 

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My thought was to try to confirm each pair separately was doing its job by ensuring level and direction placement was good from say 100 ft. to the vehicle, and only after solving that hurdle, to back off and test all the heads together from several different distances to see where(?) the frontal protection was/was not functioning.
:p I have been exchanging e-mails with Stinger in The Netherlands over that last couple of days and have some information that may be of interest to all.
1. Yes, you can block and test only one pair at a time. ( it would be similar to a car in front of you on the road that is partially blocking your view of a laser gun being fired at you).
2. The Laser Analyser Box (LAB-14) will likely be maintained BUT not foreseen to be upgraded to handle the Dragon Eye and other newer guns as these emerge in the future.
3. The Laser Centre -21 (new system) can work with the old laser squares and benefit from some of the software updates BUT you will have a system that still cannot protect the user against Dragon Eyes and newer guns. (i.e. you gain some software benefits but only partially - TX squares cannot meet the challenge). Only with the new fibres into the Laser Centre will the user have the latest and more future adaptable Laser defence system.
Personally, the biggest drawback I see with the Laser Centre is that it must be damp protected, either by various means in the engine compartment or else there are 4 or 6 cables through the firewall!!!! Ouch!
4. Depending on where you are located and what level of threats you are likely to face, a partial system is a step up the ladder and allows one to spread out the costs of a new Laser Centre, followed by purchasing the new fibres when the bank account has recovered.
"There is no gain without pain"
 

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My thought was to try to confirm each pair separately was doing its job by ensuring level and direction placement was good from say 100 ft. to the vehicle, and only after solving that hurdle, to back off and test all the heads together from several different distances to see where(?) the frontal protection was/was not functioning.
:p I have been exchanging e-mails with Stinger in The Netherlands over that last couple of days and have some information that may be of interest to all.
1. Yes, you can block and test only one pair at a time. ( it would be similar to a car in front of you on the road that is partially blocking your view of a laser gun being fired at you).
2. The Laser Analyser Box (LAB-14) will likely be maintained BUT not foreseen to be upgraded to handle the Dragon Eye and other newer guns as these emerge in the future.
3. The Laser Centre -21 (new system) can work with the old laser squares and benefit from some of the software updates BUT you will have a system that still cannot protect the user against Dragon Eyes and newer guns. (i.e. you gain some software benefits but only partially - TX squares cannot meet the challenge). Only with the new fibres into the Laser Centre will the user have the latest and more future adaptable Laser defence system.
Personally, the biggest drawback I see with the Laser Centre is that it must be damp protected, either by various means in the engine compartment or else there are 4 or 6 cables through the firewall!!!! Ouch!
4. Depending on where you are located and what level of threats you are likely to face, a partial system is a step up the ladder and allows one to spread out the costs of a new Laser Centre, followed by purchasing the new fibres when the bank account has recovered.
"There is no gain without pain"
Thanks for sharing that info.

Interesting that they say the TX squares are not up to the task of defeating the DE. Myself and others have had good center mass results with the squares and LAB-14, so it does seem possible. Maybe they're anticipating things to become more difficult in the future like ALP has indicated?

One of the things I liked about the VIP and LAB was that you only had to run 1 cable into the cabin. It's a shame that they're stepping away from that. The Laser Center retails for $350USD which isn't too bad, but the fiber pairs are $705USD each! 3 pairs would be $2115USD... which is almost double what the entire triple square originally cost me.

I wonder how important the extra fiber TX's even are. It seems to me receiving the pulses is the most important thing, while you should only need one TX to transmit back to the lidar gun. ALP has gone this route with their 2x RX and 1 TX with excellent results.
 

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You have noted, I am sure that the new Tx, I believe not Rx, fibre has four little cables coming out of it. That suggests to me why the older Tx square is not going to be able to meet new challenges.
Wishful thinking - Wouldn't be great is Stinger made a Laser Computer Box that only had the updated laser software in it and laser plug-ins, (like the old LAB-14 does for the previous generation software), so it could be used by those who already have the VIP computer. People who only want the laser stand-alone system, i.e. Freedom System would require the current Laser Computer-21.
I am sure there is plenty of room inside the old style LAB's for the new guts and it could be placed in the ENGINE COMPARTMENT!! Wish! Wish!
 

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