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Discussion in 'Other Laser Jammers' started by aode06, Jun 12, 2018.

  1. BestRadarDetectors

    BestRadarDetectors Premium Member Advanced User MFG/Vendor Premium Member

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    This is the problem with these guns. That same gun may operate the same for x amount of time but it can change automatically which is why dynamic jamming is the only way to jam properly. Our same dynamic Algo has been running for 3 years automatically adjusting with no change for any version of gun release.
     
  2. LexusISF

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    Ya that would be great, random purchases for transparency, proper setup and a live stream of all units, lets the results fall where they fall...:)
     
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  3. The Only Sarge

    The Only Sarge 7 decades of hauling ass Advanced User

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    Yup
     
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    Vortex Making Videos Administrator Advanced User Premium Member

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    I love the idea of live streaming a raw take. I think the video would be crazy long with all the hours of testing different systems multiple times, the time spent waiting for the test car to drive back to the start of the test course after every pass, etc.

    What if we did a live stream that lasted for several hours as well as a nicely edited summary video? This one would be much shorter, it would have higher production value showing the gun being jammed through the viewfinder with multiple cameras rolling (HUD view, view of the shooter aiming at the car, view from inside the test car, etc.) and everything put together like that.
     
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  5. The Only Sarge

    The Only Sarge 7 decades of hauling ass Advanced User

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    Yes planning all this will be key.
    How many heads allowed? I think things like that will have to be pre-determined.
    Front/Rear or just front only.
    Dead on or off axis.
    I think we focus on the real world....and what is usually found in the real world.
    Testing location needs to be private property etc.
     
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  6. Jon at noLimits

    Jon at noLimits Premium Member Advanced User MFG/Vendor Premium Member

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    My thoughts - whatever the best config the manufacturer has to offer, front and rear. That is what people are buying in the real world. Almost 95% of dealer sales are the "full" package, front and rear radar and laser.

    This will separate the pretender systems (Escort and K40) from the top-flight ones.
     
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  7. The Only Sarge

    The Only Sarge 7 decades of hauling ass Advanced User

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    Yup....and cost vs. results will be a great factor for most of these guys.
    Example....XYZ if minimum of $1500 to get 70% JTK of all the guns provided by donors. ABC is $600 and JTK 70%.
    You get the idea.
     
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    Yeah I was thinking of head count too. That's really good to know that most people spring for the top tier setups.

    We can run every setup with duals for an apples to apples comparison and then also run a setup with the full setup of 3-4 heads per side as each system allows. I know the Escort can do up to 4 heads total, so we could do 2 front 2 rear as well as 4 front and see how that changes things.
     
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  9. The Only Sarge

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    Provide the edited DVD to any and all shops/distributors.
     
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  10. The Only Sarge

    The Only Sarge 7 decades of hauling ass Advanced User

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    Yeah....I experienced some of this with the TMG effort/project. Everyone just looks at the basic system price. Well you get 2 single diode heads/cables/CPU. Sort got your a ss hanging out there Bubba. Also you get PT under X amount of feet just due the beam diameter and coverage..... I just dont wish to be misleading as to what the recommended best protection configuration=cost is and how that relates to testing results.
     
  11. Jon at noLimits

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    In my world, nobody looks at the system price as it's all sold as integrated with radar. And nobody particularly cares how many heads the system has. No consumer outside of the forums (which is <1% of our business) even knows how much the laser portion of the Max 360Ci is, or our Radenso RC M. They usually don't even know how much the actual kits cost online, most dealers mark them up anyway. They just see the number the dealer quotes them installed ($5-8k) and want to know one, single thing - "Will I get a ticket with this?"

    They couldn't care less how the sausage is made, they just want it to taste good :)

    From a DIY perspective, I understand that it's totally different and us forum users are much more apt to compare and contrast pricing and different head configuration etc. Just sharing that most of K40/Escort/Our customers honestly don't care as they are not enthusiasts.

    Stuff like IPT, Pt @ 400ft, 70% effectiveness, etc - all jargon that they won't care about. In a consumer's mind, it either works (no ticket) or it doesn't (get a ticket).

    What they will care about is if they dropped $4k on a system based on K40's promise, and then are shown it doesn't work.
     
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    I love it.

    Fantastic ideas.

    I think the vehicles would have to be similar.

    I think it would be fun to put Dukes ALP on his truck up against an TMG on my truck. I think he has a Lidar gun?

    Maybe System can come up and shoot us both with his dragon.

    Get Wrxsti and BaileyAB involved as well.

    Might need some extra heads Sarge lol.


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  13. System

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    Let's make this happen. I'm more than down for that. I can bring TMG and ALP to the table. All wed need are Escort, Stinger and K40. Shouldn't be too hard to get those

    Edit: didn't see this, I'm more than game though
     
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    The new system is very expensive.The unit comes with 2 sensors and you have to buy the other 2 at like 300+ a head. The engineer says its a digital lidar processor now and the transmitters are powerful. It can see all random and fluctuating lidar signals designed to read speed including low powered units and diffuse it while ignoring light from the sun and other infrared sources. And thier radar unit can sniff out mrcd and low power k band as well? But you guys are right, limited videos sucks. And marketing is all over nowadays.
     
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    Sounds like a lot of fluff. The radar side might be accurate; but the lidar stuff I can't believe with their rep
     
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    aode06 Learning to Fly Beginner User

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    I aint paying a penny lol. Ive been sold swampland before.
     
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    Ya that was what I was getting at, the actual testing portion would be live unedited, but the overall video edited down for practical use.

    Where I live we only have front shots, but agree whatever is the most coming setup used is what we need tested.

    If this could be pulled off, I think it would be amazing and also add even more credibilty to the all ready high standards of the forum testers we have.

    Exciting stuff :)
     
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    This is hilarious.

    So, one of my dealers has an open house tomorrow and told K40 that I was going to be doing a live shootout of their new system vs. the ALP. They have been telling him it jams dragoneye for the last month.

    Turns out that when they found out I was doing a live stream of it, they admitted it won't jam the latest firmware.

    I'm going to be making the videos anyway. Don't lie to my dealers if you don't want to get called on it.
     
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    If a consumer can't be bothered to do any research at all into a $5-$8k CM system for their vehicle, why should we care? These same users are going to be the ones that won't bother to JTK and will be bad for the industry as a whole. The best case scenario is that their installation or systems are ineffective leading to PTs so they perpetuate the myth LJs don't work.

    If these sham companies and installers go out of business and any clueless person with :cashwallet: can walk into an installer and get a bulletproof CM system, it better have an automatic JTK timer built-in to prevent drawing unnecessary attention. For some reason Escort refuses to do this on their systems. I'm glad K40 implemented it.
     
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    Lets see that video. That will do us all justice. And thanks a lot! I drive a lot and have not encountered the dragon locally yet. Just those binocular lidars, police love them.