So why is Waze a "passive" countermeasure?

Discussion in 'Passive Countermeasures' started by ptatohed, May 9, 2018.

  1. ptatohed

    ptatohed PSL +5 Intermediate User

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    On one extreme, you have Laser Jammers which are always on and ready to react and block instantly. No doubt Active!
    On the other end you have a license plate spray or cover that just sits on the plate, not reacting to any input. No doubt Passive.

    But then there are other CMs that fall in the middle or might be harder to classify.
    The license plate frames like noPhoto that detects a light flash and returns one of it own - While most plate CMs are passive, this one I'd call Active.
    Radar Detector - while not quite as "Active" as a laser jammer, it's always scanning and when it detects, it reacts by alerting - Active.
    Police Scanner - I would lean toward Active. It provides information to the user who can then make a decision or change based on the input.
    Dash cam - this is a hard one. It's always on and recording but does it help prevent you from getting pulled over? No. Prevent you from getting a ticket? Perhaps. You may get lucky and be able to present video footage able to convince an officer or judge that you are not guilty. Call it a mildly Active CM?
    You get my point.

    So, on to Waze. In my view, Waze is continuously "scanning" the roadway in front of you so to speak (via other wazers), providing you information and data, which you can then use to make a decision or change. I'd call this Active. Not as active as a detector or jammer but certainly not passive in MHO.

    Thoughts?
     
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    You have put much more thought into this than the thread title suggested when I read it!

    I don't have an opinion quite yet... Waze also works better when users contribute. That's not necessarily a passive behavior. :)
     
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    erickonphoenix LLE, Left Lane Enforcer Advanced User Premium Member

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    It's passive because it does nothing more than report the inputs from other drivers. It doesn't scan, it just collects reports and presents them in the app.
     
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    ptatohed PSL +5 Intermediate User

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    This sounds fairly active to me - lol.
     
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    ptatohed PSL +5 Intermediate User

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    Sorry, I am a nerdy engineer and tend to overthink things too much.
     
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    No apologies necessary. :)
     
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    johnboy00 Geaux Tigers! Advanced User Premium Member

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    If it only listens or collects and reports, it's passive. If it does something to counterACT the threat, like jamming, it's active.
     
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    This.

    It all depends on how accurately you define active/passive relative to the function of the CM. The more broadly you define "active" the less useful will be the criteria to determine the standard between an active or passive device.

    Without precision in your definitions, the lines of meaning becoming blurry and inexact, degrading the quality of your results.

    "A man with a scant vocabulary will almost certainly be a weak thinker. The richer and more copious one's vocabulary and the greater one's awareness of fine distinctions and subtle nuances of meaning, the more fertile and precise is likely to be one's thinking. Knowledge of things and knowledge of the words for them grow together. If you do not know the words, you can hardly know the thing."
    Henry Hazlitt
     
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    ptatohed PSL +5 Intermediate User

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    Then it seems by this description, a radar detector would be passive, no?
     
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    The Only Sarge 7 decades of hauling ass Advanced User MFG/Vendor

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    Daze doesnt scan. Daze reflects user input. Daze has no intelligence.Radar Detectors are actively scanning.Have intelligence. Laser Shifters are actively scanning. Have intelligence.
     
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    johnboy00 Geaux Tigers! Advanced User Premium Member

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    Indeed.
     
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    OBeerWANKenobi This is not the car you're looking for..... Intermediate User

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    What about a passive-aggressive countermeasure?

    "Oh, you wanted me to alert BEFORE you were pulled over? Fine, whatever."
     
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