Won in court years ago due to officers note on ticket.

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This happened in Ontario and is going back quite a few years now, just a month or so before the stunt driving laws hit the books.

I turned onto my road home, 10pm saturday night in the summer, beautiful out. I followed two cars left onto my road and we all waited for 2 other cars going the same way from the other direction that only had a yield. I went and was then the fifth car in the column in a 50km zone for .8km and then 80km until my house 5km later with a few bends.

As I cleared the 50 zone(not speeding) a few cars passed in the other direction. The car in front of me turned off and the other three I dont know for sure, one I saw down a farm road and the other two were just gone. I was alone on the road and just cruising home.

I continued home and as I reached my house I saw the flashing lights and sirens and thought a cop needed to pass me then I realized he was pulling me over and I honestly thought he must need help or something. A ticket was the last thing on my mind as I was probably mid 80’s at the most, maybe a peak of 90 but not likely.

He asked me how fast I was going and I told him the truth, 85, maybe 90 at the most. He said “how about 117 in a 50?” which pretty much floored me. I said I wasn't going that fast and there is no 50 here, and he said “yes, you were, back at the turn off, want to see the reading?” and I said no, that I know I was not doing that speed, I drive the road every day and I don't do that.

I figured I was not going to win an argument and he said he would drop it down to 78 in a 50 which would be a fine around 300bucks I think and 3 points. He then told me that if I decided to fight it, he would tell the judge what my original speed was and the judge wouldn't be happy. I just shut up and took my ticket knowing that's the best at that point.

I figured I got away for so many years I will just pay the ticket and that will be that but when it came time to sign it and mail it in I just couldn't do it. I knew I was right and I just couldn't pay it and live with myself so I decided to fight it.

I had no idea the process to fight a ticket, so I called a paralegal in the area and sat down and reviewed the map and my story and said he would take it to court with me. It would actually cost me a bit more than the ticket but it would save me the 3 points and at least I wouldn't be mad forever. It is really hard to accept when you are falsely accused, I just couldn't pay it.

When we went to court the Judge called my case and the prosecutor said first off that the officer who laid the charges attended court and that he(prosecutor) informed him he would not be needed and could leave. He then asked the judge if he would withdraw the charges due to issues with line of sight of the defendant's vehicle and the officer making a note on the back of the ticket that “*note, did lose sight of target vehicle for a short time while turning around to pursue”. Judge asked me if I was okay with that and it was over.

I dont know why the cop wrote that on there, but it got me out of the charge. If I knew how to do my own disclosure I probably could have beat it on my own. I really think the whole court thing was just for show as the paralegal must have known that was on the ticket and it was getting dropped. He just let the prosecutor go through that so I felt like I got my day in court.
Still, at least I won,
thanks,
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Your story touched me as i backed off to contest a stop ticket , wrongly given ,
for 4 years when i passed at this location i feel outraged cause of this dishonest woman cop ...i wish her horsesix.

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I understand exactly. I am so glad I fought it looking back now, it would have bothered me forever.

The worst part of it was he had his lights all on the whole time, right in front of my house with me pulled over and two more cops showed up to the scene, one a suv. So all the neighbours knew was that I was stopped in front of my house by three cops and I live in a very small community of only 100 people. I don't recall ever seeing three here at one time like that, we are lucky(or unlucky) to ever see one.

There must have been someone really speedy the cop did clock and lost and then he found me as I was the only one on the road at that time and assumed it was me. That is all I can think of.

If I deserved it and was caught fair I would have just paid it, but with the threat, the light show and extra cars plus my innocence I just had to fight.
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This is why I use a dash-cam. I have been pulled over for running a stoplight 2x. Each time I stated that the officer was free to write the ticket but that I would be taking my dash-cam video, which is now safely stored in the cloud, in with me. Both officers decided that they would rather NOT write the ticket(s). My dash-cam has probably saved me over $1000 when I think about my two times being pulled over and the accident last summer where the driver fled the scene but I was able to get the license number.
 

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Lucky man. Dash cams are your friend in situations like this. I've only really ever been pulled over for window tint. I find that being nice to the officer (regardless if they're stretching the truth or not), will help you no matter what. I'm glad you didn't have to pay it, because when if you were 15 over, you're not gonna harm anybody on a country road.

Did you happen to have a RD at the time? Any alerts if so?
 

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Your story touched me as i backed off to contest a stop ticket , wrongly given ,
for 4 years when i passed at this location i feel outraged cause of this dishonest woman cop ...i wish her horsesix.

I :facepalm:
Wait.....you wish her horse sex? :aaa:
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beetlejuice

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Lucky man. Dash cams are your friend in situations like this. I've only really ever been pulled over for window tint. I find that being nice to the officer (regardless if they're stretching the truth or not), will help you no matter what. I'm glad you didn't have to pay it, because when if you were 15 over, you're not gonna harm anybody on a country road.

Did you happen to have a RD at the time? Any alerts if so?
Never owned a rd at that time. On this road you are usually safe anywhere under 95 and I have passed laser and radar in cars many times and have never been stopped and my speed is usually around 90km. Our only enforcement usually comes due to complaints, so they blitz for a couple weeks. Other than that, its pretty lax enforcement-wise except during the summer when they stop guys hauling boats to many launches nearby and do safety checks.

The funny thing about it is when I drive that stretch from the left-hand turn to the speed change from 50 to 80 where he said he caught me, I would have almost had to floor it to reach 117 while still in the 50 all while going through a lot of houses and a bend, with cars in front of me. And its only 700 meters. I have never driven that recklessly in my life. I was not in a performance car or anything, just a 4 dr family honda civic base model.

A dashcam would have shown it clearly, I must get one. .