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  1. Saussie

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    Hi All,

    I'm new to the site. Like most I've been interested in purchasing a radar detector recently. Have been researching for days and reading lots of info on the subject. I'm aware of alp also for laser (expensive tho) . After stumbling across this site, I decided to join to ask some advice. I also seem to have fallen for the Uniden R1 and R3, until I read a few downsides to the laser detecting performance as stated in a thread. I've also been watching vortex vids and like how he doesn't discount other makes and models of detectors for various reasons a user may require, based on the operating scenario. Which is why I joined here, and wanted to run a scenario past you in regard to the R1 R3, or anything else for my area, as for me I am leaning away from this model slightly after reading about it. It sounds great but may not be the weapon of choice for me. Any advice appreciated.

    Here goes....

    I drive in South Australia mainly. Police here use fixed red light and speeding cameras mainly at intersections or railway crossings (automatic operating).
    Location info of all of mounted cameras is easy available online, so this is no real issue (apps or the police website fixes this issue).
    Police also use mobile cameras mounted on the front of unmarked cars around the place to catch speeding motorists. These are also easy to locate using the police website, and detail where the 30 odd locations of cars will be on the day, but no info as to what time they operate in a particular position stated (leaves me to believe there are less cars than locations shown and gather they move them to various locations throughout the day and general scare tactics to control traffic flow). I occasionally find myself with my eyes looking in the rear view rather than on the road in most cases after passing a suspect camera car, which I feel is a bit unsafe even if you are not speeding, just to be sure.
    I'd like my eyes facing forward as much as possible, seeing as I'm driving that direction. I have insurance on the car but crash is worse than a fine in some cases.
    A detector (although illegal) would save alot of hassle and make for safer driving, as well as not having to mentally note or look at a list on my phone while driving of 30 odd streets a day (as cam locations are constantly changing daily to different areas) so I don't "cop out" or crash and then "cop out" from looking backwards instead of forwards.
    An alert would be nice if you forget the camera location basically, which is the one main purpose of me wanting a detector, rather than wanting to rip around town at 100kmph everywhere.
    Police are also using speed detection devices mounted to cars on highway patrol I believe, and also laser is still used, but does not seem to be as frequent unless on the highway or country roads, as long high speed roads seem to suit this style better.
    We also have number plate recognition now in effect for registration checks built into cop cars apparantly too.
    Hope this kinda lays out the basic scenario so far.
    Info I've found (although how up to date it is I've no idea) is located below. Any relevant info to South Australia is my main interest, but some might like the extra reading out of pure interest....

    Western Australia
    Type of Device
    Device Name Frequency
    Handheld – Laser LTI Truspeed SE 905 nm
    Handheld – Laser LTI Ultralyte Compact 904 nm
    Vehicle Mounted – Radar Raptor RP-1 24.125 GHz or 35.100 GHz
    Vehicle Mounted – Radar Falcon HR 24.125 GHz
    Speed Camera – Laser Vitronic Poliscan 904 nm
    Fixed Red Light/Speed REDFLEXred-speed HDX N/A*


    Queensland
    Type of Device
    Device Name Frequency
    Handheld – Laser LTI Trucam 904 nm
    Vehicle Mounted – Radar Raptor RP-1 24.125 GHz or 35.100 GHz
    Speed Camera – Radar Jenoptik MultaRadar CD MTR CD – Frequency hopping
    Speed Camera – Laser Vitronic Poliscan 904 nm
    Speed Camera – P2P REDFLEX S103 N/A*
    Speed Camera – P2P REDFLEX P2P103 N/A*
    Speed Camera – P2P Jenoptik SR520 & SR590 N/A*
    Fixed Red Light/Speed REDFLEX SR101 & SR102 N/A*
    Fixed Red Light/Speed Gatso Millia GT 20 N/A*
    Fixed Red Light Gatso Mobile RLC GS N/A*

    New South Wales
    Type of Device
    Device Name Frequency
    Handheld – Laser Kustom Pro Laser III & IV 904 nm
    Handheld – Laser Kustom Pro Lite+ 904 nm
    Vehicle Mounted – Radar Kustom Eagle II 34.900 GHz
    Speed Camera – Radar Jenoptik TraffiStar S392M MTR CD – Frequency hopping
    Speed Camera – Laser Vitronics Poliscan 904 nm
    Speed Camera – P2P Jenoptik SR520 N/A*
    Speed Camera – P2P Senspeed PSP N/A*
    Fixed Red Light/Speed REDFLEXred 24.100 GHz
    Fixed Red Light/Speed REDFLEX SR102 N/A*
    Fixed Red Light/Speed REDFLEX M101 N/A*
    Fixed Red Light/Speed Gatso GTC GS11 N/A*

    Victoria
    Type of Device
    Device Name Frequency
    Handheld – Laser Kustom Pro Laser IV 904 nm
    Vehicle Mounted – Radar Stalker DSR 34.700 GHz
    Vehicle Mounted – Radar Kustom Eagle II 34.900 GHz
    Speed Camera – Laser Vitronics Poliscan 904 nm
    Speed Camera – Radar Gatso Meter LRC 24.125 GHz
    Fixed Red Light/Speed REDFLEXred-speed HDX N/A*

    South Australia
    Type of Device
    Device Name Frequency
    Handheld – Laser LTI Truspeed SE 905 nm
    Handheld – Laser LTI Ultralyte 100 904 nm
    Handheld – Radar Genesis VP 24.150 GHz or 35.100 GHz
    Vehicle Mounted – Radar Kustom KR 10-SP 24.150 GHz
    Speed Camera – Radar REDFLEXradarcam 24.100 GHz
    Speed Camera – P2P Jenoptik SR520 N/A*
    Speed Camera – P2P REDFLEX P2P103 N/A*
    Fixed Red Light/Speed REDFLEXred-speed HDX N/A*

    Northern Territory
    Type of Device
    Device Name Frequency
    Handheld – Laser LTI Ultralyte 20/20 100LR 904 nm
    Vehicle Mounted – Radar MPH Bee 111 33.800 GHz

    Tasmania
    Type of Device
    Device Name Frequency
    Handheld – Laser LTI Ultralyte 904 nm
    Vehicle Mounted – Radar Kustom KR 10-SP 24.150 GHz
    Speed Camera – Laser REDFLEXlasercam 904 nm
    Speed Camera – P2P Tess Digital Camera Unit N/A*

    Australian Capital Territory
    Type of Device
    Device Name Frequency
    Handheld – Laser LTI Ultralyte 20/20 100LR 904 nm
    Vehicle Mounted – Radar Kustom Eagle II 34.900 GHz
    Vehicle Mounted – Radar Stalker DSR 34.700 GHz
    Vehicle Mounted – Radar Raptor RP-1 24.125 GHz or 35.100 GHz
    Speed Camera – Radar Gatso Digital Radar 24.125 GHz
    Speed Camera – Laser Lasercam 2000 and NT 904 nm
    Speed Camera – Laser Vitronics Poliscan 904 nm
    Fixed Red Light/Speed Gatso Radar 24 24.125 GHz
    Fixed Red Light/Speed Centaur 2000 N/A*

    New Zealand
    Type of Device
    Device Name Frequency
    Handheld – Laser Kustom Pro Laser III 904 nm
    Vehicle Mounted – Radar Stalker Dual Radar 34.700 GHz
    Speed Camera – Radar REDFLEXradarcam 24.070 GHz
    Speed Camera – Radar REDFLEXspeed-radar 24.070 GHz


    * Fixed red light cameras and fixed speed cameras listed as N/A are either Point to Point or Road Inductor Sensor based systems. These systems do not produce a radar frequency and cannot be detected by a standard radar detector. Only radar/laser detectors with GPS integration can give advanced warning of these types of camera systems. They contain a GPS database of the location of these cameras and give advanced warning when approaching.


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    Mobile Speed Cameras
    Below is a list of speed measurement devices and traps used in each state. Next to each type of trap we have listed the type of device you would need to defend against each type of trap.

    Mobile Speed Camera Table:


    Western Australia
    Multanova / Vitronic Poliscan
    Ka / Laser

    New South Wales
    Traffipax K

    Victoria
    Gatso / Vitronic Poliscan
    K / Laser

    South Australia
    Traffipax K or Ka

    Queensland
    Gatso K

    Northern Territory
    Redflex LaserCam
    904nm Laser

    Tasmania
    Redflex LaserCam
    904nm Laser

    Australian Capital Territory
    Redflex LaserCam
    904nm Laser

    Mobile Cameras In Summary:

    Gatso Mobile Speed Camera.
    This mobile camera is used primarily in Victoria and Queensland, and can be operated in various manners. Without a flash, the only evidence of speed camera on the outside of the car is black rectangular box, which sends out the radar beam (K band), about 30cm by 10, mounted on the front of the car. On the older models of the camera, and on rainy days or in bad light, a cable is used to link it to a box with a flash placed just in front of the vehicle. The operator sits in the car and takes the pictures, which are then uploaded to a laptop computer. In both states unmarked cars are used, although in Victoria the operation of the cameras is carried by a contractor from Tenix Solutions, in Queensland a uniformed police officer is the operator.

    Multanova Mobile Speed Camera.
    Used only in Western Australia, this radar-based camera (Ka 34.3 ghz) is mounted usually on a tripod on the side of the road. It is sometimes incorrectly referred to as a "Multinova". Multanovas are manufactured by a Swiss company of the same name and Western Australia utilises the 6F and the 9F models, which have a margin of +/-1km/h, however the Western Australian Police will give a 8km/h "grace" with a Multanova[citation needed]. The camera will photograph a speeding vehicle at an average distance of 12 metres. During the daytime, the Multanova unit uses a standard "white" flash, but in low light or night time, it will use a red flash to avoid dazzling the driver. The unit is estimated to be worth roughly $100 000, while the relatively small black box on the top, consisting of the circuitry and photographic unit, is worth $30,000 alone. The camera is always accompanied by a white station wagon manned by an un-sworn police officer (not a contractor) who is responsible for assembling and dissembling the unit, supervising it and operating the accompanying laptop in the car for the few hours that it is deployed at a location. There are currently 25 in circulation in Perth.

    NOTE: Multanova cameras are currently being phased out in favour of the more modern PoliScan laser-based speed cameras

    Vitronic PoliScan Mobile Camera.
    This laser-based or LIDAR system has two 4 megapixel digital cameras that photograph the driver, vehicle and license plate, before automatically reading the license plate using ANPR technology. Flash illumination for the cameras is provided by either a red or an infrared flash. Up to three lanes of traffic can be monitored simultaneously, while all vehicles travelling abreast or in tight formation can be tracked and caught. The system uses an automated back office software application to process digital evidence gathered by the camera, so there is no manual intervention required from the point of photographing a speeding motorist to the issuing of a fine. These cameras can take pictures from the front and/or rear.

    Redflex – LaserCam.
    Redflex’s LaserCam Speed Camera System combines digital image capture with highly accurate laser speed detection. The lasercam has a dual-lens image capture system which captures two images of an infringing vehicle concurrently; a wide angle lens captures an environmental image of the vehicle in its immediate surrounds and a telephoto lens captures a close-up image of the vehicle and its registration plate. This ensures effective identification of a targeted vehicle at all times. The system can be used in portable mode, with operator set-up taking only 2-3 minutes. REDFLEX LaserCam can also be quickly mounted inside a vehicle for covert use if required. REDFLEX LaserCam can be manually used to target vehicles, or the system can be set up in automatic mode.

    So...
    When looking at detectors, I understand laser gun detection is somewhat pointless to an extent, as once it alerts its likely the po po have a reading already. However, I'd personally prefer to still have a decent range on laser for country drives, even if it is picking up the car infront being hit with lidar before me. I think this would be handy when actually giving the car some gas in the middle of nowhere E.g when attempting to overtake. It would also be nice to get a heads up when highway patrol are behind or oncoming in traffic before making any swift overtake. Other than this they probably have you, unless you have an alp set up.
    I'm not interested in connecting the detector to my phone as such but if it has to be then that's OK I guess.
    An undetectable detector is a good thing and low cost is nice. Gps seems a bit useless except for false detections, and said above, locations of fixed cameras is no issue. Overspeed activity would be good to shut the device up tho when it's not needed if the detector does come with gps, but gps for Australia is the catch if buying from overseas on the cheap.
    My original pick was probably the Uniden R1 but I'd probably sacrifice a little radar sensitivity (just a little tho) for a little more laser sensitivity if it could still fit my scenario. R1 price is kinda about as much as I want to spend. My last accidental speeding ticket was going downhill 10km over the limit and cost me $420AUD so I'm kind of pre paying my next ticket on the cost of the detector at the most hopefully. Imported R1 is about that price including shipping but have seen lower costing models to consider. Second hand is also an option...

    Your thoughts would be appreciated.
    If I'm caught with the detector it's a $1250AUD fine and lose 9 demerit points off my license. A full license holder carries 12 points. So I guess a detector I can easy rip off the dash and shove down my pants is a buying point too, or built-in to the car and ran off my phone is another idea maybe...
    I read the list of cars discussed on here too that false alert detectors. Mine isn't one of them but if the cars affect the laser side of the detector, that's maybe not good for me in the city as that would be annoying!
    So many variables to consider! I'm not an experienced radar guy either. Maybe someone on here is?
     
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  2. winterbrew

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    Hi mate,

    Your best bet will be confirmation from @Shanetrain for SA, or @beingaware

    The latest observations for SA ;

    South Australia

    Illegal To Use Radar Detector / LIDAR Jammers

    Radar Frequency Range
    K-Band (23.900GHz up to 24.250GHz)
    Ka-Band - Is not used in South Australia. Enable in your RD, just in case ( but do not segment )

    Frequency's Reported
    24.044 Redflex
    24.055 Redflex
    24.066 Redflex
    24.080 Redflex
    24.077 Redflex
    23.950 Redflex
    24.059 Redflex
    24.150 Silver Eagle Patrol Car
    24.155 Silver Eagle Patrol Car
    24.165 Silver Eagle Patrol Car
    24.175 Silver Eagle Patrol Car
    24.080 Highway Patrol


    Radar
    Kustom Signals KR10-SP
    Kustom Signals Eagle
    Redflex Radar Cam

    Lidar-Laser
    LTI Ultralyte
    LTI Truspeed


    Shanetrain's Foot notes:
    Rear Facing Redflex Mobile Units, Operating on 24.070 +/- 10MHz, your RD will give you little warning to this one.

    The Uniden R1 and R3 platforms currently have a lower K band floor limit of 24.050 GHz, so any Redflex's below 24.050 (check the frequency list above) are unlikely to alert.

    Undetectable - you are pretty much limited to the R1/R3, Escort Redline Pro-A (discontinued), Escort Redline EX, Bel Magnum (discontinued), Bel STi-R+(discontinued) , Escort 9500Ci (discontinued), new Escort Max Ci, or the Stinger. The installed systems are pretty expensive though.

    You can buy the R1/R3 from the USA and import, and load the AU/NZ database from here, courtesy of one of the members - that will save you money. There are no hardware differences between the US and AU models.

    Hope that helps
     
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    Thanks!
    That did help. Especially with the Au/Nz gps update on the R3. I presumed the operation and features were no different after comparing the stat's if I bought one from overseas. The update is great, as a few other websites are saying uniden don't provide the Oz gps database for download/update, so... looks like joining this site was a good thing .
    The R3 gps seems useless without the relevant info for my country.
    24.044 seems to be the only camera freq not covered as you've stated. So probably best to make sure it is covered for best all round results with an Rd.
    The gps tho.... Do the other units have the ability to use the gps around the world? Originally thought the gps should locate no matter where you are, but gather the worldwide database would be a huge amount of info to cram into one device, hence the region based programming, depending on where you're using it.
    The mobile cameras can photograph both ways, as I got caught front on. The pic showed 2 cars in the photo too. I was further away on the 2 lane road and still got pinged. I admit I was more in the centre of the photo, but the SUV travelling the opposite way still had a back wheel in the detection lined photo area in the pic, and could see the SUV had slammed the brakes on, as the lights were on in the pic and he is travelling uphill. I was heading downhill. Not to be a sour puss about it though as the camera might have snapped us both. I did call the fines unit and ask what the deal was with 2 cars in the pic, and of course they assured me I was the "offender" and the pic states forwards or backwards for detection, in my case it did say forwards but feel they would obviously say that anyways haha!
    That said, if I took it to court with a lawyer, it would cost me more than $420, which is where the system kinda has you by the balls and generally you just take it on the chin and pay, as it's cheaper not to argue. I had a perfect 12 point full license at the time too until this. I'd show the pic but prefer to keep my car model private and would gain nothing by waving and shouting about it anyway. Fine is now paid, just another year and a half to get the points back tho. Maybe I can photo shop my car and details out of the pic and post it up later for general discussion. Cops aren't using cheap disposable cameras though and the technology is there so... S**t happens as we say in Oz!
     
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    No worries, pleased to assist.

    I've used both GPS enabled Uniden LRD950 (now DFR7) and R3's, bought direct from the US. The GPS still works fine in AU, and you can still mark user locations and lock-out falses manually on the detector. I just turned off the USA speedcam and red light cam database on the R3 as there was no point running it in AU. Now with the help of @DEMON5 , we can upload the AU/NZ database to the USA model, and run the speedcam and RLC db.

    GPS based detectors only have a regional database installed. The Redline EX is GPS based, but as yet, I believe no one has got the AU/NZ database to install on a USA model, so you would have to pay the additional cost for an AU model;

    www.dontgetcaught.com.au: Radar Detectors Australia - Escort Redline Pro-A, Escort Passport Max, Bel STi-R PLUS, Valentine One, Bel Vector 940i, Escort 9500ixI
     
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    Cheers for the info once again.
    I did think about manually tapping the locations in too. Wouldn't take long, just a matter of taking a little time to drive around and program it in on my travels.
    I'm also aware of the site you posted.
    The dfr7 is a bit cheaper in Oz, and considered this even though it's an older model. Purchased here I'd say it would be set-up for Australia already and costs half the price of the R3. Not as current in technology though.
    I did find this chart also for reference... Doesn't show the frequency capabilities of each device though, which would be a bonus to look at. If anyone has a chart with that added on, that would be cool for reference and save a bit of web page flicking for the next person.
     

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    Oh... And if anyone can confirm the type of radar detector detectors used for my state, that wouldn't be a bad bit of info either.
    Thank once again!
     
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    Yes, you'd be better off buying the DFR7NZ version, which has K band segmentation unlike the US model ;

    https://www.uniden.com.au/product/dfr7nz-nz/

    No ones managed to put the NZ firmware on a US model yet.

    I'd hope it also has the AU database on board as its advertised on the Uniden AU site ?

    Does alright against Redflex you have in SA ;

    www.rdforum.org: Uniden DFR7NZ vs NZ Redflex Mobile Speed Camera Van

    I liked my LRD950 (flashed to DFR7 firmware). Nice and quiet against BSM's with the latest firmware. You can also upgrade/downgrade firmwares easily if you find one that suits your quietness vs range balance. Only sold it to buy the R3
     
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    Thank you sir for your kind input.
    Did look back on that model and my mistake for the low price of $179 but comes from USA.
    Taking your advice and now researching the models stated.
    The laser jammers are awesome but pricey. I hears Western Australia got the law changed late last year (where you are located) is that jammers only tho? You are lucky over there to have the luxury of running a detector legally.
    Guess that is another option, move interstate ha!
     
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    Sorry - forgot you are in SA. The LRD950 and DFR7(NZ) are not stealth (are RDD detectable to some degree), so not recommended outside of WA.

    Yes, WA law change is jammers only (supposedly detection only is still fine) - RD's are still fine :)
     
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    Was checking out the stealth on that model while you posted and noticed it wasn't listed as undetectable. That video probably explains why as it is... but not 100% as shown (99%) I'd have switched it off and ripped it off the dash by the time a cop got that close.
    Also thinking I need a decent stash spot in the car too when push come to shove haha!
    Nice video.
    I thought we had 2 types of detector detectors used here. Spectre and VG2 interceptor? (I'm no expert tho, just reading stuff...)
     
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    Found this info on the silver eagle yesterday if anyone wants some light reading material, here's a manual but unsure how current the info is. Just quickly flicked through it. I'll do a more thorough read when I get time. Uploaded just to add to the thread seeing as it got a mention.
     

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    Any experience with the blinder? I like that it doubles as a parking sensor and cheaper than Alp. Under a grand too which is better I guess.. .
     
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    Meh, after watching more videos and reading a little more on laser defence, seems no way out of it unless you use alp or stinger. Trying to shave some $$$ of a hefty price just seems to leave you more open to fails and falses. No way round it really when I see the tests done. (One type of laser defence goes off in reaction to Hid headlights, one goes off to sunlight. Hard to avoid both of those problems).
    One question though.... Is the redflex an mrcd?
    Have been taking note of this video below. Camera looks alike to what we have in S. A but doesn't kinda "look" 100% the same. Is it in the same sorta mrcd camera family kinda thing? Still taking advice with the uniden Dfr7 but defeating/detecting redflex and the detectors undetectability is seemingly important to me. Redflex is common so that's a requirement somewhat to justify the buy. I'll take a bit of time before I make a move and splash the cash tho so no drama or rush at this stage. Just want to get best bang for buck and make sure the bases are covered. If it takes a $1000+ detector to do this, then so be it, long as it's money well spent to do the job. In the video the escort Max 360 doesn't do its job. It retails in Oz for $1299 and that's damaging if it doesn't detect, I'd be well pissed off at that plus the fine it didn't defend. (I'd sell it off to pay the fine and then reinvest in something else, but can't get the demerit points back).
    Cheers to everyone chipping in their 2 cents so far, I appreciate it and your time taken to respond. You're legends.
     
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    Just hope that SA doesn't get Poliscan or any of the newer guns. It never jammed Poliscan (just detects), and the last firmware update for the HP-905 was April 2015.

    Still good against the older guns though.

    Blinder are now busy supplying Escort with there new 'ShifterMax' shifters

    Redflex is not MRCD. MRCD and MRCT are made by Jenoptik Traffic Systems. Both systems are hard to detect on K band.
     
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    This prick right here's what we dealing with...
     

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