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I was looking forward to the four-hour-ish drive back through Iowa and MN after some time on-site for work. I got my second NetRadar DSP hooked up to my ghetto standalone DSP system while there. Afternoon drive back, beautiful weather, very light traffic on slightly curvy four-lane - life was good.

So I was cruising at maybe PSL +10-15, when I was passed rapidly by a somewhat oblivious driver. I thought to myself, "if there was ever a situation where I could make up some time and get home sooner, this is it", and put the pedal down. Rabbit, long-range detection system functional, great visibility, Waze running too... Satellite radio going and in a fun car (Mini Cooper S) - I was in my happy place.

Well, I lost visual on my rabbit after about twenty minutes, so dropped back down from my PSL +25, and then shortly thereafter began approaching a small town, so I was slowing down a bit further. And then he appeared - State Patrol over a gentle rise in the road up ahead, oncoming. Not a peep from the NetRadar. No big deal, I thought, as I continued to drop my speed.

And then, in my rear view, I saw his brake lights, and he turned around. That sinking feeling started in my gut. Sure enough, he caught up to me, and at the edge of town lit 'em up right behind me.

It was the usual script. "Do you know the speed limit here? Do you know how fast you were going? I had you at 88." He dropped it to PSL +15, wrote my ticket, and that was that.

So, I was left scratching my head. No way did he get me himself at that speed. He was moving, so no laser, and I wasn't going that fast when he had visual. Laser isn't common in that area, and I had tried to look back at each overpass as I went by - never saw anything. I'm thinking the State Patrol plane may have gotten me. It goes to show that, even with the best situation possible, you're never 100% safe. Sigh. I'm going to be driving a lot slower for the rest of the summer. I can handle one ticket every year or two, but not two in a single year. Them's the breaks!
 

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I was looking forward to the four-hour-ish drive back through Iowa and MN after some time on-site for work. I got my second NetRadar DSP hooked up to my ghetto standalone DSP system while there. Afternoon drive back, beautiful weather, very light traffic on slightly curvy four-lane - life was good.

So I was cruising at maybe PSL +10-15, when I was passed rapidly by a somewhat oblivious driver. I thought to myself, "if there was ever a situation where I could make up some time and get home sooner, this is it", and put the pedal down. Rabbit, long-range detection system functional, great visibility, Waze running too... Satellite radio going and in a fun car (Mini Cooper S) - I was in my happy place.

Well, I lost visual on my rabbit after about twenty minutes, so dropped back down from my PSL +25, and then shortly thereafter began approaching a small town, so I was slowing down a bit further. And then he appeared - State Patrol over a gentle rise in the road up ahead, oncoming. Not a peep from the NetRadar. No big deal, I thought, as I continued to drop my speed.

And then, in my rear view, I saw his brake lights, and he turned around. That sinking feeling started in my gut. Sure enough, he caught up to me, and at the edge of town lit 'em up right behind me.

It was the usual script. "Do you know the speed limit here? Do you know how fast you were going? I had you at 88." He dropped it to PSL +15, wrote my ticket, and that was that.

So, I was left scratching my head. No way did he get me himself at that speed. He was moving, so no laser, and I wasn't going that fast when he had visual. Laser isn't common in that area, and I had tried to look back at each overpass as I went by - never saw anything. I'm thinking the State Patrol plane may have gotten me. It goes to show that, even with the best situation possible, you're never 100% safe. Sigh. I'm going to be driving a lot slower for the rest of the summer. I can handle one ticket every year or two, but not two in a single year. Them's the breaks!
Sorry about the ticket
Install a dash cam immediately and when the next ticket occurs (sorry) we can analyze the footage

It should say on the ticket or have a unit number what was used to obtain speed
For instance in NC
R 86 S means Radar 86mph Stationary position
Also i didnt know where the radar came from w my last ticket
I thought it was oncoming
It wasnt

If you're running segs 2/5/8 could of been a seg 6 gun
If 6 is on its very likely he visually estimated you and lied about obtaining it
If youre a Ka filter is on its possible to miss a quick IO shot
If its off it certainly wouldn't of

Im interested what you'll find out from the ticket and what you come across
They have to tell you how it was obtained and what unit # it was
 

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Did you get pulled in IA or MN? And what road?
 

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Funny you should ask - I’m killing time in an airport right now, but happen to have the citation with me (incident was last week). MN citations are pretty light on info. Location is given, and statute. I’ve scoured this thing, and the only possible reference to how speed was obtained is “MSP Code: 1004”. There is also an “MSP Event #”, but that doesn’t have an easily understandable code in it (basically just numbers).
 

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If it was MSP it was 99% 34.7. They are required to calibrate the units so if by chance it was out of tune you could fight it. Otherwise if they were running the new multi-million dollar ticket writer you're boned. They will give a rear I/O shot if they miss you from the front too. If you plan to fight it see if that unit is up to date on tunning to start.
 

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I’m really confident that it was laser or airplane. I unplugged the power to the ALP/NR when I pulled over (it was definitely on), and didn’t get a peep out of either antenna before that. Something went REALLY wrong if it was radar....

Gotta board my flight - morelayer.
 

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When was the last time you tested your NetRadar setup?

If it was LIDAR, and you have no sensors, then you wouldn't know. But that's not moving, so he would've had to have a stationary buddy shooting from ahead or behind. Or maybe VASCAR like you said, if that's something they have there.
 

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When was the last time you tested your NetRadar setup?

If it was LIDAR, and you have no sensors, then you wouldn't know. But that's not moving, so he would've had to have a stationary buddy shooting from ahead or behind. Or maybe VASCAR like you said, if that's something they have there.
www.google.com: State Patrol unveils airplane used to track aggressive drivers

Yep MN spent a few million this year to write tickets.

EDIT: On top of what they already had. I think MnSP has 4 planes now, can't recall on how many helicopters.
 
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Funny you should ask - I’m killing time in an airport right now, but happen to have the citation with me (incident was last week). MN citations are pretty light on info. Location is given, and statute. I’ve scoured this thing, and the only possible reference to how speed was obtained is “MSP Code: 1004”. There is also an “MSP Event #”, but that doesn’t have an easily understandable code in it (basically just numbers).
Can you PM me the date, time, and approximate location? I can view all of the blocked MN SP tracks with my business ADS-B account, and can check whether there was a bird in the air at the time.
 

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Can you PM me the date, time, and approximate location? I can view all of the blocked MN SP tracks with my business ADS-B account, and can check whether there was a bird in the air at the time.
Thanks - PM sent.
 

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When was the last time you tested your NetRadar setup?

If it was LIDAR, and you have no sensors, then you wouldn't know. But that's not moving, so he would've had to have a stationary buddy shooting from ahead or behind. Or maybe VASCAR like you said, if that's something they have there.
NetRadar standalone (for now - but just got summer car out of storage woo-hoo!) - not sure about getting it tested, but am quite confident that it was functioning well the whole time. I mean I’ve been wrong about things before, but I’m pretty sure on this at least.
 

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It does not seem to have been a plane - I guess I didn't see an officer lurking with laser...
 

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Yeah, nothing in the air in the vicinity at the time, and I even checked all of the Broadcastify scanner logs for the area and came up empty.

I wonder what kind of LIDAR they use in MN? Maybe even a single ALP head could have saved you.