My first laser experience with an RD

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  1. danpass

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    I’m sure I’ve been lased before, the officer stopped, outside their vehicle and pointing something at me, but today there was sensor notification confirmed by visual observation.

    I’m on 75N-Express and I’ve got the cruise at 72 (mostly because my little daily driver’s fuel mileage gets slaughtered when doing 80 and above lol)

    I’m traveling in the traveling lane, in a section of the Express that gently curves left, limiting line of sight. Not too much but enough.
    There is no one in front of me with some vehicles way back behind me.

    Except for Pipes.

    Pipes is in the passing lane AND AS HE PASSES ME, DOING ONLY 78-80 MPH, I CAN SEE THAT HE DOESN’T HAVE A HELMET. AS A FELLOW MOTORCYCLIST I UNDERSTAND BUT I ALWAYS WEAR A HELMET BECAUSE I HAVE NO TRUST IN SOFLA DRIVERS LOL.

    BUT IT IS CLEAR THAT THE REAL REASON HE’S NOT WEARING A HELMET IS THAT LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES SO, OBVIOUSLY, NO NEED FOR A HELMET.
    OR EARPLUGS, BECAUSE HE’S LIVING OUT LOUD.

    SO HE FINally passes by, nothing outrageous, and gets in the traveling lane.

    As we clear the bend I see a car on the right hand shoulder up ahead and there seems to be something on the car’s side and a little something sticking up between.

    The pieces add up easily and quickly enough. The vehicle is positioned in just the right place, for both safety and to minimize reaction time, the driver door seems to be open and someone seems to be standing in that space.

    So, without even touching my cruise, I move into the passing lane (the whole move-over law thing here in FL).

    Pipes on the other hand stays in the right lane and I didn’t hear a noteable change in pitch from his lifesavers.

    I estimate there were 10 car lengths or so between me and Pipes when he cleared the curve. He was in position before me to see the State Trooper.

    But my V1 got the laser alert about a second or two after I cleared the curve, noticed the State Patrol and moved left.

    A side effect of my moving over was that Pipes remained in the line of sight between me and the Trooper.

    The laser alert is going off until Pipes passes the Trooper so it was silent when I went by.

    I was paying close attention to the details and find it difficult to believe that he could lase me without lasing Pipes.

    So I posit that the Trooper was deliberately lasing Pipes and the V1 was still picking it up.

    Perhaps the bleed is larger than it seems?

    The V1 alert was pretty steady the whole time.

    I would estimate the distance, from the apex of the curve to passing the Trooper, to have been around 0.3 miles. A short encounter indeed.
     
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    The V1 is very sensitive to laser, so it was probably picking up either scatter or catching a little of the beam. Depending on the gun a beam at 0.3 miles would be around 3-4 feet wide... newer guns might be a bit narrower... in South Florida Laser is rather common, If you have a heavy foot some ALP's or such wouldn't be a bad idea. I didn't think they used as much laser as they do until I got ALP, already taken a couple hits in the last few months.
     
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    Have you seen the size of the front laser assembly? :)

    V1 Laser Front.jpg
    V1 Laser sensor placement.jpg
     
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    Question: Can LEO get a Laser tag on Bikes at a good distance? Seems like a pretty small target.
     
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    If they have a steady hand or the gun is resting on something steady then they can get a reading at a good distance if properly positioned..
     
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    Before I retired the V1 I used to get one or two alerts before I was line of sight with lidar. Scatter through the preceding vehicles glass or just splatter from their front hit Valentine would see it.
     
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    Example of scatter detected by V1: Driving in traffic approaching a small bridge receiving brief bursts of laser. As I crested the bridge, a LEO with a gun in the median and another flagged most of the vehicles into a parking lot where other revenue agents were writing the tickets. Because V1 detected scatter from laser on cars in front of me, I was below PSL and was waved through.
     
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    Did you need a heart doctor after the experience? :)
     
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    Had a tremendous sense of relief and confirmed my decision to get a V1. Believe it or not, I was on my way to court to serve jury duty!
     
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  11. Choose Life

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    While a V1 imo is still the best detector on the market for detecting laser
    I think it provides a false sense of security of the ever increasing number of lidar traps

    Im never that lucky
     
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    There is no 100% protection. Our best hope is to reduce our risk to a level that our wallets, license, insurance, and sanity can tolerate. There is no real protection for a lone car against a hidden LEO with I/O and little protection against aerial traps or laser (other than jammers which have their own issues and substantial costs). In more populated areas, with prudence, experience, and a good R/D you are likely to get tipped off by scatter from vehicles in front of you. They are going to get someone (taking them out of the game for a few minutes), and you have an advantage.
     
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    Lidar..i beg to differ
    IO..put on your clown shoes
     
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    How are you guaranteed against Vascar, unmarked cars, Bear in the air, etc. Fortunately, we have less protected drivers to keep LEO occupied much of the time.
     
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    Lidar..i beg to differ
     
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    I agree a good jammer can help against Lidar but how much does it cost installed? For urban or suburban driving your chances of a scatter warning may make that investment dubious. For rural open roads it can be your only hope. Again, I believe your aim is to reduce your pain to a level your license, wallet, and insurance can tolerate since it is impossible to protect completely from all risks.
     
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    Well good news is the jammer market is getting new players. Competition usually drives cost down.
     
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    If you arent protected against every threat imo people should hang up the CMs they have
    Radar laser vascar and pacing are the threats now
    Pacing is of course situational awareness
    Vascar is following the planes in your state
    Waze fights IO
    The cost to protect against laser is nothing compared to one +15 ticket insurance increase

    But im what you would call committed to what we do
     
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    This summer I drove at least 4000km with my family cars. I saw 4 speed traps, all 4 placed exactly where they supposed to be (well recorded spots), 2 facing my direction, no speed measuring of my car. The cost of a jammer is way too high for the potential benefit (highest ticket is 175€) and the penalty for using one is 1000€. A good RD though can inform for active speed cams (not necessary, they are all in Waze) and can provide early warning (V1 and RL) to those drivers that don't have the money to spend for jammers.