Blinder detection and regions

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  1. crimson96

    crimson96 Premium Member General User Premium Member

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    Ok so does an older M47 extreme detect any type of lidar - including Poliscans and jenoptiks lasers?

    In essence won't any laser jammer system detect any 905nm laser?

    This question has NOTHING to do with jamming.

    Also with the different cpus for different regions (e.g US versus Australia cpus) - will they all detect all lidars, it's just the jamming for specific lidars that changes?

    Lastly can you use any M47 revision sensor with any region M47 cpu?

    Many thanks!
     
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    That's a pretty old unit and probably wont pick up any of the new guns, let alone Poliscanes. IDK

    Laser isn't just laser, there are varying pulses that make them different and possibly undetectable, especially for an older jammer. The different CPU's probably offer different detection capabilities as well as jamming capabilities.

    If this has noting to do with jaming and everything to do with detection the solutions are ALP's or the V1.
     
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    Here's the update for the M27/M47 that enables Vitronic PoliscanSpeed detection / jamming ;

    BLINDER HP-905 Software Upgrade Downloads

    There used to be a video by Blinder Australia showing an M47 jamming the fixed Poliscan on the Mitchell freeway at Stirling, but its been taken down.

    HP-905 will definately detect Poliscan, but Blinder admitted it won't jam it. As TraffiStar S350 is close to Poliscan, but lower power output, the 905 may detect it ?
     
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    Blinder M47 definitely detects Poliscan as I've been using it for years - I only use the system for detection as the M47 are next to useless to jam about anything. And there is substantial evidence that nothing - not even ALP's jam Poliscans properly - enough to avoid a ticket. So I don't care about jamming.

    My logic is if the sensors are designed to pick up a 905nm laser wavelength, then regardless of what the series of pulses are (each lidar gun has a different sequence) it will detect the laser beam. So if someone out there knows the way they actually work and knows the answer that would be helpful.
    My understanding is all these systems pick up anything of a 905nm wavelength and then the system has to try and determine which gun it is and then send out the correct jamming sequence. But it alerts at the instant it detects anything at 905nm - that's what I believe to be the case, just looking for an expert that knows and can confirm it for me.

    Anyway my issue is I damaged my CPU of my Blinder M47 and need a new one. I am in Australia with an Australia CPU and can get a used Blinder M47 from the US, but its a US CPU - I just wanted to know/confirm that detection wise it'll work the same. And also if my current sensors/heads will work if I plug them into the US CPU - I'm assuming the sensors are all the same just with some different revisions.

    So while I could upgrade my entire system now - spending copious amounts of money in the process to buy an ALP or something like that - I just don't see the benefit if nothing jams the Poliscans or the newer Jenoptiks - I need to drive with confidence it works otherwise I may as well stay with a "detection only" system (like this crappy m47) as its served me well enough over the years.

    I appreciate the help!
     
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    Thank you. However that's the HP-905 model not the M47 Extreme I was referring to.
     
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    The link title is wrong, check out the 'M27 & M47 Upgrades' section on the page ;

     

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    Ok thanks. I have the latest M47 firmware - which hasnt changed for seven years :D

    Furthermore - if you have a "AU" CPU then only the Australian firmware can be uploaded - similarly if you have a "US" CPU then only the US firmware will be allowed to upload to that CPU - I tried.
     
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    Jammers don't detect just anything in the 905 nm range and alert to it like a RD does, since they are capable of jamming they must know specifically what gun is hitting them so they can fire back return pulses at the correct time. Older blinders used a lookup table it would see incoming pulses, lookup what was in the table for a response to those pulses and start firing back. So if it's a gun that isn't in the lookup tables it very well may not alert at all, blinders didn't usually see dragoneye or alert to it at all... some legacy jammers, LI i think, had an unknown gun option where it would attempt to jam a gun it didn't recognise as best it could in which case you might get an alert to something it doesn't have programmed in the database. Poliscans are tough, Alp can jam them as can a few other jammers, the issue is the angle they shoot them is very steep across the road, it's far enough off axis that unless you have the heads angled out it won't jam, but heads that are angled out don't provide good protection from all other laser threats so it's hard to get both threat types covered. Thankfully ALP is very sensitive so it will usually pickup the poliscan before you are in the kill zone and you will be able to slow down before you are in range.
     
  9. BaileyAB

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    I think you are sooo wrong about ALP not successfully jamming Poliscan unit.
     
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    It's what I have been told by someone who has a Poliscan to test on an ALP - I am sure in certain conditions an ALP will jam a Poliscan and likewise in some situations - like a not so perfect setup ALP won't jam - nothing is 100%. The bigger issue is now the Jenoptiks Traficstar S350 - much lower power and same pulses as a Poliscan. Many ALP owners are now saying they have to be practically on top of the machine before it detects - too late to slow down and it may be unlikely to jam. So I'd be interested to hear how people go with this unit in real-life situations.
     
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    ALP will always kick in on top of any machine, in another words, as soon as it detects laser beam. I ve been running ALP for 4 years now here in Canada and have well over 1000 encounters with various laser guns, most often with notorious Dragoneye Speed Laser and ALP never let me down. Tested it numerous times with the same gun (Dragoneye SL full size and Compact). I would feel pretty confident to go against Poliscan.

    Well, of course. ALP works like that, not like a radar detector. It will only start alerting and jamming once it get hit with a laser beam and if Poliscan n Trafficstar S350 has narrow kill zone, then ALP will sound, detect n jam once it enters kill zone. Same as against laser gun. Once the cop squeezes the trigger and paints my car, only at this moment ALP will sound the alarm and go into action. I would not expect any different.
     
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    Speaking for only myself, my ALP system has jammed poli's for me on every occasion it has mattered, often at 20 km/h over the limit where tolerance is 2-5km/h. Pretty much the same result with every other Australian ALP user I know of.
     
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    Any experience with the Jenoptiks Traficstar S350 - in Perth, Australia they are phasing out Poliscans for these - much lower power - apparently harder to detect.
     
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    Poliscan is a bit of a different beast. Basically you can optimize your install for jamming a LEO or jamming a poliscan unit, but achieving both is very difficult. Unlike a cop shooting at your vehicle the poliscan units are often placed at a large angle towards the road. I think it can reach like 45 degrees and I believe they also calibrate them to account for the cosine error. That said, to defeat them you basically need to toe out your jammer heads so they can properly receive/fire back to the poliscan unit before it acquires your speed. I challenge you to get past one of the rear facing poliscan units here in Sask with your current head alignment. Honestly I’m not too familiar with the front facing units so treat this info as applying to rear facing units only.
     
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    Yeah, they have been rolling them out slowly here too, I've had at least one save on my ALP with this cam, two more on my Stinger (different car).
     
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    @crimson96 , there is no harder or easier to detect for ALP. Its either ALP will detect or not. If it recognize the pattern and I am quite sure it does, then once it reaches kill zone, it will start alerting.
    With jammers, there is no easier or harder to detect. Only yes or no.
     
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    Just found these ALP vs S350 that date back 2 years. I dont see any issues. Easy peasy.



     
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    Thanks, awesome. Still the Jenoptiks are identified as a "Poliscan" on the current ALP firmware and not as a Jenoptiks - still cannot be sure it jams the Jenoptiks, but yes it detects them. So am wondering if ALP will be updating the firmware to identify and specifically jam the Jenoptiks.