Are all aircraft on FR24?

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  1. hammerdown

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    I ask because I have had every N number for every aircraft owned by the OK Dept of Public Safety listed in my custom alerts, even aircraft unlikely to be used for vascar like King Airs for well over a year and 1/2 now and have never gotten any alerts for any flights other than OHPs helicopter and OKC PDs Air One helicopter.

    I find it impossible that the state dept of public safety has like 20 aircraft and none of them have taken to the skies in over a year and a half... :shifty:

    I've looked up their N numbers again, and they all seem valid. None expired or anything.

    Thoughts? Thanks.
     
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    The aircraft would need to be on an IFR flight plan in order to be trackable on flightaware.com, fr24, etc. I’d imagine Vascar aircraft are on VFR flight plans, or possibly don’t even file a flight plan. In this case you cannot track them, even though they’re up they’re flying.
     
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    Create an account on flightaware and see if any of them have flown in the last bit, if not logged in they wont show the most recent flight info. it's also possible that the aircraft aren't ADS-B or are listed as a do not track in which case they wont show up on tracking sites. You might do better to get a ADS-B receiver setup so you can get unrestricted unfiltered data then you will be sure to see them if they are properly equipped.
     
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    Even with ADS-B receiver like a Stratus 2S, you aren’t going to see everything. And they could ask for a tail number block. If not, usually they would have to pick up IFR clearance or VFR flight following. They probably aren’t going to do either for what they are doing. I wouldn’t be surprised to see many departments start selling off aircraft. They are just too expensive to maintain.
     
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    I stopped running FR 24 because every trap in Florida i needed it for
    Most of their vascar runs werent showing up
     
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    i seriously doubt OKC PDs Air One helicopter files a flight plan. I personally have saw the pilots run out of a building, spin that bird up, and take off in seconds heading to an emergency. No time for flight plans... and I can see them on FR24 and get an alert every time they are up. :confused:
     
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    No.
     
  8. hammerdown

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    well, and my state is broke as a skunk right now, if any of you guys have saw all the teacher walkouts and protests on the news. The legislature couldnt even give them a $5K a year raise without upping like 4 different taxes to pay for it. I hear from some folks that OHPs aircraft are down, most likely indefinately due to funding. But others,including troopers ive talked to (yes, I realize they might very well lie or are otherwise talking out of their ass) are acting like they are up on holidays or other designated days.

    Im just trying to get to the truth of it.
     
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    thanks. Ill try that.
     
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    hmm.... the plot thickens..... :hmm: @GotWake may be right and they have a tail number block...

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    yeah... ****. I think @GotWake is right, they flagged all the tail numbers for OHPs vascar aircraft.

    planes that are not "vascar friendly" are trackable... like this Beech 65

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    Yep thats a Tail number block. a few of the local sheriff dept aircraft down here are the same way on thier aircraft, FHP isn't blocked (oddly). so the best option for tracking them is get an ADSB receiver of your own and set it up, you can upload the data to Flight radar and flightaware, and you will be able to see the unfiltered version of the data so you can track those aircraft if you wanted. It covers you for a decent distance up to ~200 miles I believe, especially in an open and flat area...
     
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    stranger still, OHPs helicopter, N370HP, I can see on FR24, although it doesnt fly often. But on Flightaware it tells me that it cant be tracked due to request of the owner.... :confused:

    I donno... weird stuff...
     
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    interesting with Flightaware... you can definately tell which aircraft are doing VASCAR. Look at this track of Texas DPS Cessna...

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    Look at N773HP right now they are in route home after a vascar trap this AM
     
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    I just don’t think a lot have upgraded yet. You are looking at seeing 100 NM on the ground. There’s only 2 130 knot aircraft showing within 100 NM of me right now.

    This is with a Stratus 2S and ForeFlight.
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    If they're in a TCA, they are going to file an IFR plan and get tower clearance too. For example, when they're doing FL along alligator alley, they'll file IFR because its a large TCA there with Miami, Naples and even UP to Tampa. You're correct though. Many are still VFR and that occurs more in North FL for example. Waze is you're best friend on this as you'lll often see clumps of Blue Hats at the end of the Vascar lines or within a 1/4 mile of the end of those. Hopefully, we'll have ADSB capabilities for our phone apps or cars in the future to see all the comings and goings of nearly all aircraft. By the end of next 2019, ADSB will be required for nearly all aircraft flying in certain airspace,
     
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    Waze gets 99% of them in FL once they are set up. You'll see the markings at end of Vascar lines appear as soon as the FHP line up and start,. Saw it on alligator Alley two weeks ago.
     
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    NOT ONLY to maintain, BUT fly. It truly is becoing a rich-mans hobby with fuel and maintenance cocts and the medical requirements etc.
     
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    a scanner would be more helpful than anything wouldnt it?