NZCTG Ka 34.7 testing, Auckland NZ

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New Zealand Countermeasure Testing Group (NZCTG) testing results.

Hello all. This weekend just passed, @Aucklandradar , @Tseven007 and I met in a remote region of Auckland, NZ to perform some Ka 34.7 testing. Most of the details I will try include below, but please ask if you want specific information.

Detectors:
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Courses:

We decided we wanted to test the detectors on at least two courses which we named on-axis and off-axis. We decided on Paparimu rd course as our first. As you will see from the map and the video example, apart from a slight bend, it is pretty much a long stretch of about 4kms.
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The second course is a lot harder as you will see from the video, but I was pleasantly surprised by the results.

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Results:

In summary all the detectors we used would have given you a save on the on-axis course, and almost all bar the whistler (unless you were quick on the brakes) on the off-axis course.

Orange dotted line shows the kill zone.

ON-axis
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OFF-axis

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Notes:

Detectors were segmented to Ka segment 4,5,6,8 or equivalent if possible. We also had K1 segment on or equivalent if possible.

Radenso PRO-M was run with 3 runs on TSR low and TSR OFF, all 6 runs were identical so we did not separate the results.


Summary:

This testing has shown us what we expected (Uniden R series as king), but also the unexpected. Well not really unexpected, the three of us from our own experiences always had a feeling that the INTERNATIONAL models of some of the detectors were actually doing really well. Now we admit we did not have equivalent US models to test against, but we have satisfied ourselves to some respect by doing this testing.

In closing, as said previously by other testing groups and testers, no testing is perfect, and this one is most likely similar (hopefully not too bad). We are a bunch of enthusiasts who have spent close to 10,000 USD (if not more) collectively for this testing to happen in New Zealand. Thank you to @benzr for sending down his PRO-M for testing (I will be posting this back soon!).

Thank you to
@Aucklandradar and @Tseven007
for hosting me in Auckland. You guys are an awesome bunch, and I am sure we will meet again soon.
 
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Hey Guys,

This was a really productive weekend. I think until you have been involved in some big testing sessions, you really can’t appreciate what it takes. @dudeinnz lives 700km’s from the test course location, he flew in, we all rented a room at the location, spent thousands of dollars on equipment. Some of the equipment we wanted to test we had to purchase in the weeks before the testing. Now we’ll sell some of those units on the second hand market, at a loss no doubt.

We will definitely be getting together again. Now we have some baselines recorded for many of the locally sold detectors we won’t need to test so many detectors all at once again. I think our next sessions might be focused around International Series Remote Mounts… start saving lads! ;)

I got to spend a couple of days with 2 really great guys I met here in the forum, @Aucklandradar and @dudeinnz. They are without any doubt the most knowledgeable guys I know on low frequency K band, they know what works and what doesn’t. And now we’re all really clued up on how detectors down here fear against KA band as well. I’m stoked to call these guys my friends, and look forward to our next adventure for sure.

We had a couple of hours to kill before @dudeinnz had to fly out so we headed back to suburbia to my place where the guys met my wife. Now you fellas have met the gatekeeper, you're staying at my place next time. :)
 

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@Aucklandradar – I couldn’t agree more with my mates comments above. We had an awesome time our there testing for the >10 hours..

I never thought driving the same strip of road 60 plus times could be so interesting
Given it was our first attempt I’m stoked at how things worked out and my level of confidence in our results is really high.
I don’t have much to add other than the mad respect I have for you guys and can’t wait till the CM manufacturers come out with new detectors worth testing so we have an excuse to get together and see what’s what for ourselves.


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Good job on the testing guys and great job on the presentation of the results. That’s a lot of RD’s to do at one shot.

I’m not sure if I or benzr mentioned about TSRej on the Pro-M in the set up. It only effects the K band. That’s why there was no difference. Good to check on it anyway. I’m not sure it was noted before.

Looking forward to more tests in the future. Well done


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Wow! What a stellar effort from all involved. I think the courses you've set up are a good general representation of the terrain we typically encounter and so you have produced some extremely useful data.
Really appreciate what you've done and that you're sharing the results with us.
 

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Beautiful work guys! Go R1, dudeinnz ty again yay!!!
 

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Outstanding effort guys!!! holy crap that was a huge test with so many RD's, and to have all the data well presented must have taken some time, so thanks guys to all involved, i take my hat off to ya!!
 

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It's good to see more data; you all went above and beyond for this. Thanks for doing this.
 

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Terrific job and nice write-up! :)
 

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Nice job guy's! Thanks for sharing!
 

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@dudeinnz , @Aucklandradar ....

Since our recent testing, I've been looking at our top 9 detectors on the off-axis course, and wondering, which one of these is truly the best. They all yielded 1km or more of KA 34.7ghz detection distance on a very hard course.

I figure for a detector to be the best it also has to rate very well on the low K band scale as well, that is, the dreaded camera van, which has proven the hardest to detect.

So, @dudeinnz , @Aucklandradar , answer me this.....in your experience, which of those 9 detectors is the best at detecting the camera vans, ...which in my mind would make it the king of NZ detectors ?

And i'm happy to come south to test this by the way. :)
 

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@dudeinnz , @Aucklandradar ....

Since our recent testing, I've been looking at our top 9 detectors on the off-axis course, and wondering, which one of these is truly the best. They all yielded 1km or more of KA 34.7ghz detection distance on a very hard course.

I figure for a detector to be the best it also has to rate very well on the low K band scale as well, that is, the dreaded camera van, which has proven the hardest to detect.

So, @dudeinnz , @Aucklandradar , answer me this.....in your experience, which of those 9 detectors is the best at detecting the camera vans, ...which in my mind would make it the king of NZ detectors ?

And i'm happy to come south to test this by the way. :)
Hey mate, I think @Aucklandradar has a bit more experience with different NZ models. From my experience I’d say the redline ProA or 9500ix international.

He did have that awesome detection of that van when we were going to lunch on testing day.


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Great testing guys and thanks for all your efforts..
After having my Uniden R3 for 2 months now, these are my conclusions..
I owned a Escort Redline-O for 4 years and it served me very well, in this time I will always remember my very best encounter and longest range detection of Ka 34.7... However this is the thing.. Since owning my Uniden R3 I have on multiple occasions have had alerts of more than DOUBLE the distance of my "very best" Redline encounter. This is simply mind blowing to see this in the real world. I would not consider driving with any other detector as I believe in our environment and terrain that sensitivity is everything, especially against I/O.. I used to be the biggest M3 platform fan but after experiencing what I have with the R3 it just blows the M3 away.. I mean it's not even close!!!
If Uniden doubled the price of the R3 tomorrow I would still glady pay after knowing what I do now.. Just my 2cents from an experianced Redline and R3 user.
 

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@DEMON5 m8.... m8...

None of what you're saying aligns with our test results.

Unfortunately we didn't have the benefit of you're Redline-O for our tests. But had it been here we would have fully expected it to be at the top of the test results, and you're saying you're R3 is out performs your Redline-O by "DOUBLE"

M8, The thing is, we had 2 R3's, and an R1, and we didn't yield results "DOUBLE" the distance of any of our local detectors, let alone the mighty Redline-O.

You must have one bloodyy hot R3 mate.

I have confidence in what i say... because I've done the test ;)
 

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@Tseven007 mate here's the thing, I don't work for Uniden or any other detector company and I don't come on here to bag one detector and praise the next... I just report what I see in the real world... I do a few k's, in the past 5 weeks I've clocked up over 7,000km's and have had heaps of 34.7 encounters.
Now when you did your testing, were you using a low powered hand-held 34.7 gun or a high powered in-car Stalker dual/DSR unit?
In some cases I am getting initial 34.7 alerts with the R3 and driving a few k thinking I must have caught up to a patrol car in front of me heading in the same direction.. Continuing driving with the alert strength increasing I finally see the source coming towards me and my jaw drops to think where the hell was he when he gave me the first initial alert!!!
Once again, these are just my real world observations and fit in with what the USA guys are seeing with R3's.. That they are capable of alerting at 2 or even 3 times the distances of M3 platform. Once again I don't doubt your testing or have any issues with it whatsoever, I think you've all done a fine job. I am simply reporting on what I see in the real world and having driven 250,000+ kms with my Redline-O and to now see its "best ever" detection more than doubled with the R3, then yeah I know what detector is staying on my windshield at this point in time.
 

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meanwhile I still haven't actually had an alert of an oncoming cop... in the whole 5 months of owning my ex lol
Bloody good testing though guys! Would've gone with a R3 after seeing all this... next time i guess :p
 

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Also I couldn't give a stuff about K band speed camera vans.. They don't carry demerit points and I've noticed lately that the clowns they employ to operate them seem to now park them in the most obvious easy to see places.
 
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