Best way to mute radar alerts while running BT

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  1. Vortex

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    Hey guys, so I'm running the NR DSP right now with ALPconnect for iOS and I'm wondering what you guys are finding to be the best practices for muting alerts.

    The control pad buttons don't work when connected to BT and so I'm really finding myself struggling to quiet down the detector and I'm wondering what you guys are finding works best. I'm gonna enable low speed muting next, but I really want a simple way to mute alerts regardless of the speed I'm traveling, ie. to mute / lockout shopping centers as I drive past them.

    If I want to mute or lockout a radar alert while connected to BT, I can always tap on the app and that'll work. If the app is backgrounded, I can tap on the notification and then tap again in the app to mute or lockout. However, I was trying to do that earlier today and accidentally swiped the notification away on my iPhone and so I had to manually switch into the app, mute/lockout the signal, and then switch back into Waze. Android could automatically bring up the app for me if I wanted, but I'd still have to switch back when I'm done. That's a lot of work just to mute or lock out a signal, especially while focused on driving. A dedicated mute button readily accessible is something I guess I've taken for granted and it's weird now not having one.

    What solutions are you guys using to mute alerts while driving?
     
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    I have an iPad mounted in the car with iOS 11, and I run apps in split view, ALP being the main app, and then music or waze as the on top window. Not sure if that works for phones, though, and unfortunately the iPad app is a scaled iPhone app for the moment..
    [doublepost=1520890585,1520890501][/doublepost](While muting is easy this way, I would definitely like to either have a native app for iPad, or better yet, as you mentioned, a way to kill signals from the controller, so I could have full screen Waze, and Pandora or Apple Music on the side)
     
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    I have had to rely more in the initial setup to quiet the unit. The App needs to be updated for better control and if a fix to the control pad to allow full access as well. Great Radar unit, needing better function and all.

    Sort of reminds me of the day old V1 before the Apps and all. Though, I think this is more of a challenge with the ALP/NR system itself. That control system upgrade is needed to provide that better functionality.
     
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    Unless I’m muting it wrong, I use a flic button that’s mounted behind my steering wheel.
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    The flic is within easy reach, but out of the way for any opposite lock inputs.

    In practice, my middle finger rests on the button. Whenever my LED flashes, I almost, automatically, push the flic, for a JTK (even though it’s radar) — out of habit.

    With that said, I’m using an iPhone 6, in airplane mode, as my display. ALP takes priority and is always on top (music in the back ground). The audio is plugged into an AUX jack, directly into my OEM stereo. No audio delay.

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    My iPhone X runs WAZE and is my phone.
     
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    Flic button is a great idea... but why the hell do the dedicated control pad buttons get overridden when bluetooth is in use? Madness! Who wasn't thinking when they came up with this?

    As someone trying to choose between Netradar and the Radenso RCM for my next system, both of them have insane decisions around the control / UI in their own ways, and it's driving me nuts. :argh:
     
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    I know the lasers can be killed with the BT module plugged in, and I think it does this by killing power to the CPU. I have Radenso HD+ on the way, and ill let you know if it works like that, though it would be very nice to be able to mute the radar without killing the whole system...
     
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    An iPad would give way better battery life than a dedicated cell phone. That was one of the main issues I had to deal with.. the phone dying after a few days of being parked and having to manually boot it back up and all. Do you take your iPad down when you park?

    Oh yeah, the Flic. I like that solution as well. How is your reconnectivity? I wound up getting rid of my Flic because there were many times when I'd get in the car or come home (if the Flic was at home) and my phone wouldn't reconnect. I'd have to relaunch the Flic app and connect to the button again and I want it to just always work with no hassle.

    Yeah my guess is that it's a hardware limitation due to the ALP not being originally designed to use BT natively. I remember asking a while ago why BT wasn't just built in to the CPU and the response was that many people won't need it and so they won't want to pay for it. This gives them the option of a cheaper system or a more feature-rich system.

    Either way, some things like an external speaker, I would have figured would have been just a standard feature. Add a tiny headphone jack on the CPU somewhere and plug in a speaker that costs $20-30 or whatever, and no need for an accessory that run audio through a control pad port. A lot of stuff is added onto the ALP via accessories and I think that's where a lot of the limitations and then workarounds come from.
     
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    @Vortex the re-connectivity is not an issue for me. The flic app is always running in the background on my rooted/dedicated iPhone 6 -- therefore my flic button never disconnects. As a double check, I'll click the flic as part of my "pre-flight" check, so i'm sure I'm connected. Never any issues of re-connectivity. For the most part, my iPhone 6 never leaves the car. If/when I do take down the iPhone 6 (for theft), no problems reconnecting, after turning everything back on.

    An older pic, but functionally the same:

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    Flic works very well... Here and there it have delays... But in general I'm satisfied with solution...
     
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    Oh that's good news. I wonder what you're doing differently. Maybe leaving the phone in the car and ensuring you push the button to wake it up every time you get in the car? I do remember needing to restart the app manually if I rebooted my phone and I remember needing to wake it up to have it turn on if I haven't used it in a while. So not a perfect solution, but better than just the phone or control pad alone.
     
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    I use a dedicated Android phone with Flic. I always test the Flic button at startup but no issues there. I charge the phone while driving so I never have to worry about a dead battery/restart delay when I want to drive somewhere.
    I'd be happy if voice alerts were optional; driving in some unfamiliar areas can mean hearing a lot of "KA Band Ahead" which gets old very fast. The alert tones are all the audible radar info I need. Otherwise I'm happy with my DSP/NR setup so far.
     
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    Depending on where I am, and whether I'll need my iPad or not, sometimes I'll take it with me. Other times, I'll just leave it. I plan on getting a dedicated iPad with Cellular (for the GPS assist chip so I can get speed readings on the logs) in the near future.

    Do you happen to know if the GPS in the phone is sufficient for a TX head to operate correctly?


     
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    Sadly it's not. It requires a GPS antenna plugged directly into the ALP. Some features like Tx head GPS support and low speed muting for radar are handled via the ALP's GPS antenna while other features like GPS lockouts are handled through the phone and the phone's GPS.
     
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    Hmm, that's peculiar... I've hear that certain (hopefully non-$60) GPS's are able to be used in place of the one from AL... Any idea which ones, or, in effect, where the best deal may lie? I ask because I don't think all aftermarket GPSs are compatible, but maybe I'm mistaken...
     
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    I have BOTH i have been having multiple issues with Muting my DSP whereas my RCM with working buttons and displays just works

    I am at HomeDepots/Lowes often and I try to Mute my DSP i press the HiFi button once to Mute it
    5 Secs Later it is screaming at me. VERY FRUSTRATING !!
    So then i try the BT APP --- SAME FREAKIN' ISSUE !!

    My ProM / RCM both " decide" its a False after a couple of blips"" then quiet down.

    I find my DSP is harder to Keep a Mute
    At least my R3 can Mute Memory - but I am RAPIDLY FILLING THAT UP !! The Mute works on my R3 but it always punches thru Alerting me w/in seconds not minutes. Again quite frustrating.

    So @Vortex when you get the settings for your DSP
    PLEASE POST IT HERE and mention @. Benzr.

    I have not determined the settings to quiet down our DSP s yet. Also I do as @gapi does and run it in HiFi Mode. I know i lose the lockouts and speed gps but AT LEAST I CAN USE THE BUTTONS !!

    JTK and profiles and Mute work well this way !!

    benzr


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    On my android phone I have my ALP app set to use Mobile instead of the connected GPS module as my GPS source. It connects faster and my TX head and NR system muting works as it should.
    The ALP seems to only require that the GPS module be connected and recognized but not necessarily used as the GPS source.

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    Does your Tx head work if you unplug the GPS antenna and use only the phone?
     
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    Pretty sure that a TX sensor requires the ALP GPS module to be connected, no matter what. IIRC it has something to do with the pulse timing somehow, I think that's what BRD told me via e-mail at one point.

    The ALP App offers you the choice of using the ALP GPS or your phone's GPS as the source of the lockout data. I'm not really sure how that works though - is it constantly having to read the gps data from the ALP if you choose to use the ALP as the source then? Seems weird.
     
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    Second that question, that would be really awesome if it did!

    I believe I remember hearing they require it so it's more difficult for people to copy their technology, IIRC...
     
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    I mentioned this in another thread and I realize it doesn't directly address your question. I find it nerve-wracking that the mute and suppress buttons are right next to each other and the same size. At the very least the mute button should be a much larger target for my finger. I hate having to take my eyes off the road at all, let alone to make sure I'm not nailing the suppress button
     
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