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Got very lucky again today. So we had the same redflex van on SH58. This allowed me to do a comparison for horizontal mount R7 and DFR7

Here is the video running the horizontal mount (used the same mount bracket and position for the DFR7 and R7). The location of the bracket is also right next to the vertical bracket I used previously.


















Here are the comparative images showing the actual video frame that all the alerts are captured in the respective mount positions:

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Therefore we can conclude that the vertical mounting does extend the capture distance against redflex for both the DFR7 and R7. I do note the R7 horizontal mount performance in this test was likely affected by traffic. More repeated tests are recommended. However, the R7 is clearly affected by mounting position against polarised redflex.
 

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Awesome @Mithheru thanks for sharing the results.
 

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I also captured this video on the same trip. This shows good capture range of Ka band as well as another encounter with K band redflex.

This was running the R7 horizontally mounted at the time.

 

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I also captured this video on the same trip. This shows good capture range of Ka band as well as another encounter with K band redflex.

This was running the R7 horizontally mounted at the time.
Nice, the K redflex detection is really good with the R7 - impressive!
Now My R7 Itch is growing :D
 
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I agree, that is impressive!
Can't wait till my R7 arrives! :cool:
 

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Any guesses on how many alerts I'll get heading north?
It's over three days, home to Picton, Wellington to Taupo, and Taupo to Tauranga. All on State highways, all at the limit. ( My wife is driving her car and she tends to sit at the limit)
A bit boring but I'll save on fuel.
 

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Any guesses on how many alerts I'll get heading north?
It's over three days, home to Picton, Wellington to Taupo, and Taupo to Tauranga. All on State highways, all at the limit. ( My wife is driving her car and she tends to sit at the limit)
A bit boring but I'll save on fuel.
hard to tell sometimes. i did two seperate three day trips on my bike, and on one journey i had zero alerts, the second i had 5. but if i had a guess id say 3.
 

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I've just released my new Australia database version 2.11 for the Uniden detectors. If anyone needs a database for their detector please just send me a PM as usual (LRD950, DFR7, DFR9, R3 and R7).

This has added and removed about 300 cameras from the previous version 2.09.

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Just got my USDFR7 from Mithheru and went for a drive. Found this camera in a school zone. Had different results depending on how high I had the detector. Low was awful, high was really good (the one above). I may have had it too low? Anyway really pleased with the results and thanks again to Mithheru.
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I don’t understand why the detector had such poor performance in the second video, other than the position. Any insights?
 
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OK. Mitherus database worked perfectly on the Ngauranga Gorge Redflex.
One 3.2 km CSA at Pukerua Bay, cop was gone by the time I got there.
One short (I/O?) a bit further north.
Then the best one, I had cruise set at 104 true speed, saw a cop ahead and he tagged me with I/O. I didn't slow because that's basically admitting you're speeding to a cop. As he passed he hit his flashers and braked, I thought that this will be good, a BS stop? My wife called and asked who he was after, apparently she was doing around 110, I said I thought it was me.
I rounded a curve and he went out of sight, I stayed at the same speed, but he didn't come into view, so I called her to see what was happening, she said he'd stopped the car between us.
That guy had been there doing our speed for about 5 km's, and picked the worst time to give it a nudge. If he'd had CM's he would have seen the cop tag me and avoided an $80 speed tax bill.
BTW I found the difference between driving like Miss Daisy and hurrying it along a bit was .7 litres per 100km's. Hardly worth it.
Although on the flat bits around Himitangi it did get down to 6.6, which was impressive.
It's great to be back North.
 

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Okay guys (and gals!),

@nzFALCONnz has provided me with information for a new redlight camera currently under construction in Auckland on the intersection of Te Irirangi Drive and Smales Road. I don't really want to rebuild new database files for everyone just for this camera. However, just to let you know the camera is there. For those people living in Auckland that do want an update now I can send it out, otherwise I would prefer if people could wait until I release the next NZ version 2.14 whenever that may be.
 

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I've just installed a new vertical mount. This is a lot smaller than the previous one I was testing for the R7 (see comparative photos). If anyone wants to try this out I bought it from here:


I haven't tried it yet with the R7 as that is currently on loan to @Zakk at the moment. However, it does fit well with the DFR7 and looks likely to be strong enough for the R7 and many others. The magnetic mounting also makes things easier. Hopefully tomorrow I can find some more redflex. I'm currently hoping to run some comparative tests between Zakks DFR7 NZ and my DFR7 US.
 

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Had a useful encounter with Ka band on the way home today. This gave me the opportunity to test against Ka band in built up area, and also to compare performance of vertical mount US DFR7 against a vertical mount NZ DFR7.

Overall I would say that the range of the two is probably about the same. On the straight line approach it looks as though the US DFR7 performance may be better, but I suspect this is more that the Ka band source was not always running at constant on.

I also included the comparative snapshot for the point of detection for the reverse direction, which looks consistent.


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There are only so many times you can cruise past a police car without wanting to attract too much attention! Me, Sir!? No,.. just looking..., sure it must be here somewhere.... Live locally? No, you must have got me confused with someone else!? :coffee2:
 

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Great info, thanks!
I had cause to drive from Hamilton to Tauranga and back today with my US DFR7 (sorry no camera in my car), I passed two redflex vans, and 1 pole mount redflex.
The first one I passed (green van ), I didn't get a peep out of my DFR7 at all - not a single thing.
The 2nd one I passed (white van ) gave me ~150m warning on 24.11Ghz
I also passed a fixed camera at the base of the Kaimai ranges.... the 1.37 DB you gave me a GPS alert on that, and I got about ~250m Kband alerting as well.
On the return trip, there were no vans, I got a GPS alert for the fixed camera, but no K band alert coming from the other direction.

So, in conclusion, it seems the US version may not detect some redflex vans (I'm guessing somewhere south of 24.03Ghz as I have had false detections down to 24.03Ghz before)
 

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Same here, I didn't get even a reflected signal approaching from behind the Kaimai Redflex.
 

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Some good info in this thread.

A couple of things worth commenting on based on points from the original post and follow up responses:

1. If you're buying from a "radar expert", the detector should already be set up ready to go out of the box. By "set up", I mean everything you don't need turned off or minimised so when the detector makes a noise, you don't have to think and wonder if it's legit - you just hit the brakes. This includes the GPS database - it should be loaded and updated, right?

2. The Valentine 1 is a dinosaur. Even with the extra bits and cables and Bluetooth adaptors, it's still not a legit NZ product. Can anyone actually identify an authorised New Zealand seller or more importantly a REPAIR AGENT? If one exists, please let me know so we can help spread the for those poor unfortunate Kiwis with a broken V1. Only basing this on the info on the official V1 website: Valentine One Radar Detector - Where to buy Do you really want to return a faulty V1 to the USA and deal with "YouShop" or the likes to get a fake forwarding USA based return address? Maybe a decade ago when the V1 had no viable competitors....

3. Based on our own testing, other than a properly installed Stinger VIP, nothing gives reliable warning on camera vans. Sure, the window mount detectors might work some of the time or even most of the time, but on a long trip how many falses does it give compared to actual camera van alerts? Even with the K-band filters running on overtime, you'll usually SEE the camera van before the detector does. My advice, turn off K-band and focus on the threats that can turn around and chase you. :D

4. Laser is instant. Once the cop lines you up, you have less than one second to react. Genevo (the people that make Radenso) have a small article on it here (English is NOT their first language in Prague): How lidar (laser) works

5. My understanding of the consequences of getting caught with "parking sensors" in NZ is 20 demerits and an $80 fine. Less than running a red light or not wearing a seat belt, both of which are far more dangerous though.

6. Some radar detectors available in New Zealand need more effort to get them set up properly, especially that GPS database. If you're buying from a retailer that will also sell you wiper blades, air freshener, oil filters or mag wheels, it's very very likely they aren't even aware there's a registration process. That would make it impossible for them to load the GPS database for you.

Great content from the OP, and I'm not here to dispute any of what's been shared.

I am involved with an NZ retailer that sells detectors, but I'm not selling anything here.
 

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Great additional comments, always good to have some input from a retailer- or someone directly involved, thank you.

Based on our own testing, other than a properly installed Stinger VIP, nothing gives reliable warning on camera vans.
Would love to see some of this testing, if available/shareable.
The Aussies have reported the Stinger to be hit and miss and a bit buggy when it comes to redflex. There are known issues with Ka as well. I bring these up, as for the price of a Stinger, I personally would expect faultless performance. Like you say, switch of K-band, and open those eyes-wide open is my advice 99% of the time. Saying that, @Mithheru has shown the R7 to be quite good at picking up the redflex cameras. Obviously the falses are likely to drive you nuts though.

Re: Valentine; If you buy from sellers such as Radardirect, they will offer the upgrade programme to you as well as repair options. Regarding being a dinosaur, yes and no - this has been discussed elsewhere/repeatedly ad nauseum. The V1s have been the prime-end of the NZ radar market for a long time, the re-sale value is still a lot higher than most other windshield detectors out there. Also, the newer V1s with Euro mode are the only ones to detect down to 23.950 for K band (for a non-international branded RD). Also they have stellar laser performance (and falses), so useful for our neighbours in Aussie who have to deal with Poliscan cameras. #4, yes, 100% agree.

#5. I am unsure, I couldn't find in black and white what you have written (regarding the fine).
The NZTA actually quotes 25 demerits, unsure about the fine.
Using, in a motor vehicle, equipment that interferes with operation of speed measuring device25
Possessing, in a motor vehicle, equipment that is designed to interfere with operation of speed measuring device25
So potential loss of licence on the spot, if the officer cites you for both offences.

#6. Depends on the consumer I guess. In the day and age of google, most things you can figure out yourself, but yes, 100% agree, buying from a speciality shop would hopefully get you better and more knowledgeable service.

Great to have you on here, thank you for taking the time to respond, look forward to hearing from you more.
 
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1. If you're buying from a "radar expert", the detector should already be set up ready to go out of the box. By "set up", I mean everything you don't need turned off or minimised so when the detector makes a noise, you don't have to think and wonder if it's legit - you just hit the brakes. This includes the GPS database - it should be loaded and updated, right?
I would agree. Sadly however, the latest Uniden 1.37 gps database is already out of date, and is not regularly updated by Uniden New Zealand. Also the accuracy of many cameras especially around Auckland is not at all dependable in that database version. This is the reason why we built a completely new one. This has been tested by many forum members and is widely used by many people around New Zealand. Currently there is only one retailer on Trademe which is authorised to sell detectors with this 2nd generation database preinstalled (currently V2.12 for NZ and AU V2.11 are the latest releases).
 
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Some good info in this thread.



2. The Valentine 1 is a dinosaur. Even with the extra bits and cables and Bluetooth adaptors, it's still not a legit NZ product. Can anyone actually identify an authorised New Zealand seller or more importantly a REPAIR AGENT? If one exists, please let me know so we can help spread the for those poor unfortunate Kiwis with a broken V1. Only basing this on the info on the official V1 website: Valentine One Radar Detector - Where to buy Do you really want to return a faulty V1 to the USA and deal with "YouShop" or the likes to get a fake forwarding USA based return address? Maybe a decade ago when the V1 had no viable competitors....



4. Laser is instant. Once the cop lines you up, you have less than one second to react. Genevo (the people that make Radenso) have a small article on it here (English is NOT their first language in Prague): How lidar (laser) works

5. My understanding of the consequences of getting caught with "parking sensors" in NZ is 20 demerits and an $80 fine. Less than running a red light or not wearing a seat belt, both of which are far more dangerous though.



Great content from the OP, and I'm not here to dispute any of what's been shared.

I am involved with an NZ retailer that sells detectors, but I'm not selling anything here.
V1 not legit? That is just trolling, you can do better. You clearly have no knowledge of the capabilities of JBV1, for instance.
I've used V1's for damn near thirty years. They work.
I've had saves from laser scatter, it's not reliable but does happen. But you need a detector with great laser sensitivity. See above.
You are wrong about penalties. I'll post the real consequences when I can get my legislation files back.
You have just shot your credibility in both feet.
 

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V1 not legit? That is just trolling, you can do better.
We're only quoting what the actual Valentine website says. They don't have any repair agents outside of the USA. Again, if someone can point us to an NZ based repairer that can look after V1s, please do so. We get calls every few days from people that don't want to send their detector overseas and if we can help, we'd rather give them hope and help.

I've used V1's for damn near thirty years. They work.
No arguments here. Most radar detectors "work". Some even have GPS and are user-updateable via USB or even Wifi.

You are wrong about penalties. I'll post the real consequences when I can get my legislation files back.
Great! Please share! When the laser jammer law got "quietly slipped in" way back when, we actually called the Minister's office trying to get clarification. It was such a small change to the legislation that even the Transport Minister's people weren't 100% sure what had happened or what the consequences were. It took a week or so before we got any sort of clarity (in writing at the time) but that was years ago. Could the penalty have changed? Could we be out by a few dollars and demerits? Thanks in advance for sharing!
 

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