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Most of NZ would agree with you, the others would blame the tourists.
I think it is a mixture of people being impatient and general idiots.
The tourists are the ones driving rented motorhomes at 70 kph, sigh. NZ roads have slow vehicle pullovers but only a few vehicles use them, so not much you can except be patient. I have no doubt that issue does contribute to accidents though.

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I'm a Canadian vacationing in your amazingly beautiful country. Wow, you've got some spectacular roads; winding beyond belief and really fun to drive.
Two observations though;
1 - most highways are limited to 100 kph even though many sections are so full of curves that even a determined corner carver like me can't maintain that speed. It's a joke. But 4 & 6 lane expressways are also limited to 100 kph where 130 would be safe. It makes no sense at all.
2 - almost no one speeds here. I'm constantly passing cars doing well under the limit on straight roads, and still there are radar traps to catch the few who take advantage of a passing lane. There's lots of road signs warning of the dangers of speed, but almost no one's breaking the limit.
Whatever is causing NZ car crashes it certainly isn't speeding.


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Welcome to NZ. It's good to hear an external opinion, and you are dead right. But it suits our road safety nazis to keep pushing the speeding line. More revenue.
 

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I think if the govt put as much money into driver training and education as it does into speed enforcement we'd have a much lower road toll. You know, even the basics like, keep left, don't sit in the fast lane on the motorway doing 90km, merge like a zip and at speed.
 

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I think if the govt put as much money into driver training and education as it does into speed enforcement we'd have a much lower road toll. You know, even the basics like, keep left, don't sit in the fast lane on the motorway doing 90km, merge like a zip and at speed.
It's really depressing that we only get all these emotive anti-speed ads on TV. Like that one being hammered at the moment "...maybe they'll find a couple less k's would have saved her". Perhaps they could also find out what caused the prang in the first place.

Wouldn't it be great to have a "basic road skills" ad campaign with topics as you suggest, perhaps along with things like...
  • Indicators and their many uses
  • Slow vehicle lanes
  • Keeping left on the motorway if you're not overtaking
  • Flush median: You Can Use It
  • Open road driving - what to do when you're holding up others
Dreams are free. That stuff would cost money to produce, and they only really get revenue from catching those naughty speeders and anyway, they wouldn't like to admit that maybe their sole focus on speed might not have been so wise.
 

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Some years ago I went to a regional Road Safety meeting as part of a biker group to make submissions.
At the table behind me was the senior NZ manager of Traffic Policing, I heard him pontificating to the people at his table that "driver training doesn't work, we've proved it. It only makes drivers over confident".
I've also heard the same thing from NZTA when we Driver Testers were pushing for compulsory training.

You are almost literally pushing diarreha uphill trying to get driver improvement against retarded morons like that.
 
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Yeah, the problem is that speeding can be measured, and generates revenue. Driver training and the resultant "better drivers" cannot be easily measured or quantified.

@KiwiBloke has said it well. There are some real basics that would go a very long way. I'm not an aggressive driver by any means but when someone sits in the right hand lane at 90km on a motorway it does get my gander up..
 
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Some years ago I went to a regional Road Safety meeting as part of a biker group to make submissions.
At the table behind me was the senior NZ manager of Traffic Policing, I heard him pontificating to the people at his table that "driver training doesn't work, we've proved it. It only makes drivers over confident".
I've also heard the same thing from NZTA when we Driver Testers were pushing for compulsory training.

You are almost literally pushing diarreha uphill trying to get driver improvement against retarded morons like that.
Jeepers, you really have to wonder how some people manage to rise to positions of authority. Of all people you'd expect the likes of him to be rationally capable. It explains a lot, really.

Yeah, the problem is that speeding can be measured, and generates revenue. Driver training and the resultant "better drivers" cannot be easily measure or quantified.

@KiwiBloke has said it well. There are some real basics that would go a very long way. I'm not an aggressive driver by any means but when someone sits the right hand lane at 90km on a motorway it does get my gander up..
I think you're right, speed being so easily measurable can become the only thing focused on. I've seen a few news articles lately that suggest more people are becoming a bit disillusioned with this approach but this is NZ so I figure it'll be another decade before we see any change. I'm of the opinion that we'd be better off overall to bring back the MOT and have Police doing actual Police work.

I've been stuck behind a number of rolling road-blocks lately but funnily enough, I was transitioning a fun windy & hilly bit of tarmac at the weekend and actually had someone pull into the slow vehicle lane as I caught up to them! I think that might be the 2nd time this year, so either a trend or statisical anomoly, time'll tell.
 

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Okay, I'm now releasing GPS database version 2.08 / 10 March 2019 for the Uniden R3.

Again this is supported on both NZA and US firmware running R3s. I think you'll find this latest update has a lot of improvements.

I'm keeping the database tracked as before, so please contact me directly if you would like a copy. Also let me know which firmware you are currently running so I make sure you get the correct version.
 

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I think you're right, speed being so easily measurable can become the only thing focused on. I've seen a few news articles lately that suggest more people are becoming a bit disillusioned with this approach but this is NZ so I figure it'll be another decade before we see any change. I'm of the opinion that we'd be better off overall to bring back the MOT and have Police doing actual Police work.
It seems the Traffic Police themselves are a bit disillusioned with being treated with contempt.
Staff turnover was reported around 43% last year.
I agree with a dedicated Traffic Force, but it must have a bike fleet. You can't effectively do general enforcement from a car in modern traffic.
 

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bucket list time. Taking my boy for his 21st present to the f1 in melbourne, back in a week.

anyone ordering an r7? i think i will wait to see if they let you seg k band as waste of time without it.
 

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bucket list time. Taking my boy for his 21st present to the f1 in melbourne, back in a week.

anyone ordering an r7? i think i will wait to see if they let you seg k band as waste of time without it.
Not sure about segmenting, but they say it will scan down to 23.950
 

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Not sure about segmenting, but they say it will scan down to 23.950
To be fair, that's pretty good all up, but without segmenting, your first few weeks of travel are going to be a nightmare with it going off all the time haha

One can only hope until we get our grubb- clean hands on them!
 

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Based on the previous R series I think it will have K band segmentation.

I know the R1 and R3 didn't have it but it did have narrow and wide.
The fact that it scans lower now Im hoping they would have re-thought the K band scanning.
 

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You're going to need 23.950 up to at least 24.110, segmenting isn't going to help much.
 

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I was thinking the same thing, I would love to seg out some frequencies around 24.2.. I hope they do institute this capability in a future FW update.
 

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The big problem of the so called speeding blitz is that most are scared to speed and just wander down the highway at a speed that turns the brain off. Every day I travel a state highway that has a speed limit of 80kmh and almost every time the traffic is at 50-60kmh because of the idiot in front. This makes people take chances with 1 person per year getting killed on the 10km length of road.
NZTA should accept the unintended consequences of the speeding policy and if they don't the deaths the policy cause makes them guilty of manslaughter.
They have either got concrete between their ears or are arrogant narcissists working in a self serving echo chamber along with all the other tax collectors throughout the world who are just as guilty for supplying data that the NZTA are incapable of understanding and what is relative to New Zealand.

Even I have come across horrific injuries, not nice at all and NZTA uses it to pull on you heart strings in tv adds instead of looking in the mirror.
 

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H2 is right. You could remove speed limits, and the only accidents would be those caused by poor judgement. Just like now.
As you know, I've had a job where the employees didn't have speed limits. We didn't drive everywhere with the throttle pinned, we wanted to survive.
 

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I couldn't resist baiting a cop last night. They do a two man checkpoint on a small bypass road at 5.00PM quite regularly, It's a pain in the butt for no good reason.
So when plod approached with his sniffer I asked him why they couldn't do this another time or on another street where most traffic is. I also said when I was doing his job, we did checkpoints late at night when the real dangers were on the road. He said, we get drunks anytime of the day.
So I replied, no you don't, you're only doing this as PR and to keep up your ACC contract hours.
He didn't have an answer for that.
What really bugs me though, is 300 metres up the road in peak traffic, the locals play their favourite game of "accelerate, so that the car in the other lane can't merge". You never see cops up there.
 

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