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Hey guys,

I'd like to do more testing to see how the RCM behaves against MRCD/MRCT falsing (for BSM).

I swore I read a thread this morning covering this, but I can't find it (specific to Radenso).

Are these beliefs I have right, in general?

1) MRCD is the replacement for MRCT.
2) In places where there are MRCD, running MRCD narrow is sufficient

If #1 and #2 are correct, I'll follow the advice that I swore I read this morning which is to set the RCM to have MRCD on narrow, MRCT off, and have MRCD filtering on high.

My gut tells me I'm going to get falsing, but I have not run the detector with MRCT on off and MRCD on narrow, so looking forward to the results. My understanding is the NR DSP doesn't have "production" firmware and thus falses quite a fair bit on these 'types' of radar, so looking to try and provide some experiential info on MR vs the RCM.

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FWIW, MRCD narrow, filter high = no falses today. Tested against Lexus, Acura and Mazda.
 

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Statement 2 is correct.
MRCD Narrow. MR Filter off is what I run in MRCD rich Edmonton.




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*1) In my country they started with the MRCD as a replacement for the Multanova 6F, and after a year suddenly they replaced the MRCD for MRCT.
 

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Statement 2 is correct.
MRCD Narrow. MR Filter off is what I run in MRCD rich Edmonton.




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Interesting. What's your experience with falsing, running on that? Have you tried it on high, and if so, does it bring the performance below what you deem is acceptable?
 

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Interesting. What's your experience with falsing, running on that? Have you tried it on high, and if so, does it bring the performance below what you deem is acceptable?
Never bothered running it on high or low. I’ve tried it, but I haven’t really had any MRCD false signals that would prompt me to think that I’ve got to have this on.
With the various ways that Real MRCD alerts happen, I’ll take a false any day if it does happen.
There is a couple of spots near the refineries where I live, but it’s not enough to chance.

All testing of the MRCD system has to be done real life. I’ve yet to see anyone selling a MRCD unit for testing.
Now if this new Pro-M on US6 is any different, I may have to mess with it, but I’ve already hit a MRCD trap it’s first time out and haven’t seen it do anything out of the ordinary than Pro-M V1. Maybe a bit more range.


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I would like to know BSM filtering of the following vehicles on MRCT only (No K / MRCD)
Very curious if Radenso does a better job. Who can help me?

My Genevo 1M triggers on :

-2017+
Mitsubishi Outlander
Nissan Quasquai+Leaf
Toyota CH-R
Honda?
Suzuki Grand Vitara
all new models with Denso BSM units!

I only have MRCT enabled (narrow/wide filter low/high tried all)
 

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I would like to know BSM filtering of the following vehicles on MRCT only (No K / MRCD)
Very curious if Radenso does a better job. Who can help me?

My Genevo 1M triggers on :

-2017+
Mitsubishi Outlander
Nissan Quasquai+Leaf
Toyota CH-R
Honda?
Suzuki Grand Vitara
all new models with Denso BSM units!

I only have MRCT enabled (narrow/wide filter low/high tried all)
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I would like to know BSM filtering of the following vehicles on MRCT only (No K / MRCD)
Very curious if Radenso does a better job. Who can help me?

My Genevo 1M triggers on :

-2017+
Mitsubishi Outlander
Nissan Quasquai+Leaf
Toyota CH-R
Honda?
Suzuki Grand Vitara
all new models with Denso BSM units!

I only have MRCT enabled (narrow/wide filter low/high tried all)
The only 2 that I’ve personally seen that have been giving me an MRCD False on US9 have been:

2017 or 18 Toyota Highlander, and a few Ford trucks

The Ford is strange. It’s not everyone that has the tech package will cause a false.

Then again, on the Fords, I suppose some of the collision avoidance may be mandated or standard equipment, while other options, like parking assist and BSM, may be an option.

There’s no problem with Ford Cars, just the odd false of some F-150’s and Some Superduty Trucks.

The F-150’s are one, or more years, in the last 3 year production models. The Superduty’s 2018 model year.

It looks like your in Europe, so I’m not sure that a Pro-M will help you much. It’s FW and Hardware May be more geared to the North America market and maybe Australia/ New Zealand. I can’t answer that with certainty.

I usually run MRCD narrow and I move my filter around a bit between off and low.



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Thanks,

The F150 I encountered a while back gave a MRCT alert, but they are really scarce here in Europe.

So you say you have no alert on the cars I mentioned?
I will have to check if these cars will not alert on 1M MRCD setting.
We have no MRCD here, the police changed to MRCT after just one year of use.
 

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I would like to know BSM filtering of the following vehicles on MRCT only (No K / MRCD)
Very curious if Radenso does a better job. Who can help me?

My Genevo 1M triggers on :

-2017+
Mitsubishi Outlander
Nissan Quasquai+Leaf
Toyota CH-R
Honda?
Suzuki Grand Vitara
all new models with Denso BSM units!

I only have MRCT enabled (narrow/wide filter low/high tried all)
I'm seeing a similar false set with a few Ford's, sometimes a Jeep Cherokee will cause a MRCT alert, a few Mitsubishis, and a few Toyotas.

I run my M on MRCT narrow and MR Filter low. If I turn the filter to high with narrow on it completely filters out the MRCT cameras in my city.

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Interesting. What's your experience with falsing, running on that? Have you tried it on high, and if so, does it bring the performance below what you deem is acceptable?

I did a very small sample size running my mr filter on narrow. Off/low/high

On us9. I have ran it on high for about 2000km all city and freeway 0 mrcd false
U I turned it off and I got a false within 2 minutes of driving and falses a bit more so I switched it to low
On low. I would get 1 false a day (200km of driving over 4 days)

I have since switched it back to high and haven’t got a single mrcd false

I tested the range of a mrcd truck on low vs high. High actually gave better detection by a few meters at best. Mrcd detection is extremely hard to duplicate in the real world. I can say on high my detection range varied from 20m to a whopping 500m. But the norm is probably in the 50-200m range
 

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I did a very small sample size running my mr filter on narrow. Off/low/high

On us9. I have ran it on high for about 2000km all city and freeway 0 mrcd false
U I turned it off and I got a false within 2 minutes of driving and falses a bit more so I switched it to low
On low. I would get 1 false a day (200km of driving over 4 days)

I have since switched it back to high and haven’t got a single mrcd false

I tested the range of a mrcd truck on low vs high. High actually gave better detection by a few meters at best. Mrcd detection is extremely hard to duplicate in the real world. I can say on high my detection range varied from 20m to a whopping 500m. But the norm is probably in the 50-200m range
Very interesting! I can't run narrow and high for MRCT, although not the same as MRCD, because I go from being able to detect the cameras to no alerts in any direction. Wide and high works well. Narrow and low works similarly with less falses.

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Very interesting! I can't run narrow and high for MRCT, although not the same as MRCD, because I go from being able to detect the cameras to no alerts in any direction. Wide and high works well. Narrow and low works similarly with less falses.

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Great hearing more reports of how mrct detection. One day it could hit my city

Currently I’m in summer mode and been riding my scooter pretty much everywhere. Once the cooler weather sets in. I ll get more seat time with the radenso. But so far so good only 2 ka falses in 3000km (35.5 and 33.8) (33.8 was from my neighbors pro m) ka 0,wide,off)
 

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hey, new guy here with a Radenso. I have to say I'm seeing the same thing, If I put the MRCD filter to high it completely filters out MRCD vans. I'm going to try the filter on low, or off even, because I know it can detect them (I was getting warnings before I increased the filter). Does anyone know if Radenso are aware of this?
(Calgary, Alberta - home of the MRCD).
 

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hey, new guy here with a Radenso. I have to say I'm seeing the same thing, If I put the MRCD filter to high it completely filters out MRCD vans. I'm going to try the filter on low, or off even, because I know it can detect them (I was getting warnings before I increased the filter). Does anyone know if Radenso are aware of this?
(Calgary, Alberta - home of the MRCD).
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hey, new guy here with a Radenso. I have to say I'm seeing the same thing, If I put the MRCD filter to high it completely filters out MRCD vans. I'm going to try the filter on low, or off even, because I know it can detect them (I was getting warnings before I increased the filter). Does anyone know if Radenso are aware of this?
(Calgary, Alberta - home of the MRCD).
There is no MRCD in Calgary. That is Redflex which is low powered K band. Try messing with the K band filters and see how detection improves. I'd start with K band wide and TSR off and go from there.
 
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Thanks! That explains a lot. I was under the impression that they used MRCD here?
So you think that having TSR on high is what stopped the detections? I have picked up these vans in the past but was getting the odd false alert at the time. So I added more filtering. No false alert any more buy its hit & miss with the roadside vans (usually only the ones sat in an open field though, so pretty easy to spot). I must have upped MRCD and TSR filters at the same time.
 

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Just in case anyone is interested I figured out what the problem is. If you run K band narrow you will not detect the redflex camera's. If you run K band wide you'll have no problems.
I'm not sure if this is common knowledge or not but it certainly should be :)
 

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Just in case anyone is interested I figured out what the problem is. If you run K band narrow you will not detect the redflex camera's. If you run K band wide you'll have no problems.
I'm not sure if this is common knowledge or not but it certainly should be :)
Thanks for the heads up.
What’s your Filter/mode/TSR settings to pick it up??


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