Part 2 NetRadar DSP vs R3 and Max 360 against 34.7 KA band

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  1. Patton250

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    I started a new thread so no one misses this that wanted to see it.

    Here is the video of the retest with the new location of the DSP. This was done today. I think after everybody watches this we can all agree that the new location for the DSP is ideal and it definitely does a better job. The R3 still out performs it but not by much and in my opinion it’s such a little amount I would consider it insignificant. Of course the max 360 is destroyed again. Believe me I take no joy in that part of it. I paid $600 for it. At the end I show my install. I apologize ahead of time about the length of the video as it goes just over 5 1/2 minutes.


     
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    Jag42 TXCTG (Professional backyard tester) Advanced User Premium Member

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    R3 caught a reflection on the first run which was incredible. Factor in the R3 has a heigth adv too. We know the 360 is not that great. Try running 3 runs on each unit,and compile the averages. Nice job.
     
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    Jag42 TXCTG (Professional backyard tester) Advanced User Premium Member

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    Look at your first run of the Netradar DSP. The transport van was blocking a lot of the signal. When TXCTG is running a test,and a huge semi or truck comes down the road,we scratch those runs.
     
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    That’s cool my friend and I don’t doubt your testing skills however I didn’t film every run I made. I did multiple runs with each one of those radars on individually and they all went off in the exact same locations you see in the video on every single test. I probably should’ve stated that. I apologize.
     
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    Thanks for the testing and video. Looks like a great area to test without being hassled by anyone. Video of your install was interesting too. Looks like your bulletproof with that ALP TX setup...and also interesting to see the improvement of the NR DSP with its new mounting location.
    Thanks for your work
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    Was the Max 360 owned
    Less than> 2 seconds out of kill zone ?
     
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    Yeah man. Extremely disappointing. My son was on the gun and got a reading on me the moment the 360 alerted. Im mean no time whatsoever. Thats how the DSP was aslo in the old location behind the honeycomb plastic. Now that the DSP is moved to the grill its obvious by the video plus multiple other non videoed runs that it and the R3 give plenty of warning before the kill zone to slow down and have a save. Thats a tough course for radar testing because its heavily wooded and as you see in the video the road curves. That last long stretch you see going toward the gun is where I do my lidar testing also. We stand right where you see the Stalker II.
     
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    Another nice job of testing. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    Geez Brett, another cold Max360. Now that's a surprise!! :confused:

    Thanks for the revealing video. That NR DSP is kicking some butt given its architecture!

    Hey @Patton250 do your kids think you're a nut job like mine do?? They thought that until they started running CMs and it saved their butts many times.
     
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    Lol yeah my whole family thinks this CM stuff is crazy. Especially when I start my car and everything turns on. The R3 and Thinkware 800 pro have to go through there loud start up. My son however is very helpful with testing. He is getting better at shooting lidar although he sill can shake. The compact DET has a nice tripod screw hole on the bottom so we use that for steadiness.

    I am bummed out about the max 360. Is has all sorts of super features and options except for good detection. Lol. I think their engineers kind of forgot thats the most important part. Anyway I’m lucky because my neighborhood is isolated in a way and great for testing. The people here are cool. If someone saw me testing and wanted to call the cops I’d let them use my phone thats how much I or the local police care. :)
     
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    I dunno why, but is that the SRQ area?? @Patton250
     
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    Great job with the video, I’m really liking what I’m seeing from the R3 and DSP. As for the 360, I continue to be disappointed with Escort.
    The difference in performance between the R3 and DSP could be variations in unit sensitivity (some are just a little hotter) and that the R3 is mounted higher. Both have great performance and their are benefits to each.
     
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    @Patton250 Thanks for the video. I’ve reviewed the testing results from others, but actually seeing the marked difference in alert time between the R3/M360, as well as the alert @ the “kill zone”, certainty cements my decision to box it back up and return it to ER. I couldn’t agree more with your statement, very feature rich RD, but completely misses with the tougher encounters.

     
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    Thanks @Patton250 for all the effort on this! Solid contribution that shows beyond doubt that a honeycomb grill will kill your range on a remote install. Love the install walkaround at the end btw, perfect install! Such a dramatic improvement to the NetRadar DSP when installed optimally!

    I noticed a few things which I've annotated into snapshots.

    IMG_6422. IMG_6423. IMG_6424. IMG_6425. IMG_6426. IMG_6434.

    So yeah, sometimes things happen beyond our control, such as moving traffic, and when we're focusing on the detectors, and driving straight, and verbal commentary, it's pretty easy not to notice things that might could have had an unfairly positive or negative impact on performance of a particular run.

    Which is why multiple runs with each unit running solo is a good idea. And I totally understand time being a limiting factor and sometimes we just don't have the time.

    But thanks again for the hard work and contribution. We all do appreciate it.
     
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    How about a V1 on that course?


    Posted from my RD
     
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    Patton250, good for you to be willing to try remounting your DSP and re-testing. Very nice installation btw.

    Posted from my SM-A520W using the RDF Mobile App!
     
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    So I personally think the DSP and R will be essentially equal in performance. There is some difference with the DSP as its RF board it marked as Rev 0.1 or something like that. The R3's board is Rev 0 if I remember. Based on the Rev #'s it seems like some minor change? Who knows!

    Anyway, I'm going to mention something Mike Valentine said. He first asked why do you see various antennas mounted high? For the same reason you mount antennas high a RD should be mounted as high as possible (@Kasher) as it will have the highest chance of getting a good view. That along with how the location functionality of the V1 would not be as good for a fair price in remote form is why VR doesn't offer anything other than a windshield mount.

    Nice install and testing! I think you're seeing manufacturing differences, mounting differences, or maybe a combo of both. I think you're winning in the cat and mouse game with your neighborhood LEOs with that setup!

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    Wow man that means a lot coming from you. Thanks!!!! :)
     
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    Thanks for the screenshots, HC. Post-production with screenshots, analysis, and editing can take as much or more time than testing and your showing these kind of variables on a testing course is a helpful tool for all testers.

    These types of live traffic courses have their own challenges given that you can't control the course and all the variables that can come into play as you pointed out. They probably do require a few more runs in order to average things out better.

    Nice job on showing the runs independently before running them together, Patton.
     

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