Discussion in 'Escort' started by Mike G, Nov 12, 2017.
You monster! GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY!
When I reach the Pearly Gates and Streets of Gold. I will be full of Cherry pie.
I was comparing to all brands - if you are saying detectors like the V1 should be a $200 detector than I guess you are right. the 360 has similar detection to the V1 so that played into my estimates.
If I was able to overlook the useless bells and whistles on the 360c, I would say a good price would be in the 300 to 350 range.
Absolutely. Slap on dual spoilers and flame decals on any car and you go as fast as lightning. Sums up Escort's business strategies. Slap on dual horns with a $700 price tag and you'll be able to drive as fast as lightning without getting a ticket.
Its not so much about price. Its about its performance, filtering and accuracy.
It having arrows and GPS puts it in a potentially high $$$ price point, but with out performance, filtering, reliability and accuracy its close to worthless.
~$500-600 would be fair if it was a top performer with all the above requirements.
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O. and if we use the V1 as a base, add a $300-800 smart phone and BT then your V1 with GPS is more like ~$700-1200.
Plenty here run YaV1 on a $20 Android phone from Walmart. So, $399 V1 ($359 if you ask for a return) + $49 BT dongle + $20 phone + shipping = ~$450-470?
I think if you taped all that together (phone, dongle, V1) it would still be lighter and smaller than the Max360 too
Forgot about the Walmart V1 upgrades! lol
Right, a V1 with much of what the 360c has is almost $500, so $600 for an all in one with Escorts popular features and ease of use would justify the price IF it was a top performer and had Top filtering to boot. $700 is just too high, though if it was the best is would be less of an issue.
Ok You are going on the LIST!
All that matters is that "he" thinks it fast........
And to think GM also thought the Aztek was cool. Beauty is in eye of beholder as is RD performance.
100% of us have a phone anyway, so you're pushing the logic there?? You, of all people, know how good the V1 can be with YaV1 or V1D........ Its really an apples /oranges comparison since the V1 has so much reliability & history behind it.
That is exactly what I was about to say, albeit a little late.. Winds do change. Bought my Redline based on the outstanding reviews here. I was able to make an informed decision fully aware of the pros and cons. I now own an R3, again based on the information gathered from all the users and testers. I held out hope for the EX and even the 360c and still do, but can’t justify the price vs the performance but that is my decision and it is based on all the data here. I was always happy with the build quality of my Redline and when I received my R3, I was definitely put off by the perceived durability/build quality of the R3, but it’s the performance that I was looking for. I honestly don’t see the average consumer/ non enthusiast running out and spending 700$ on a detector in B.B. Escort still needs to keep the “enthusiasts” happy because they are the voice of the people willing to spend that kind of cash on a detector. I was thrilled with my RL and every time Escort brings something to the market I am hopeful it will be something worthy of the brand loyalty that they established in me with my first purchase, but that is not happening. They have been plagued with issues on many fronts and for what it’s worth I can’t bring myself to spend the money to try one of the new detectors out. I would love to test the new detector to see if the performance meets my expectations but unfortunately I do not live in an area with sufficient RADAR to allow a reasonable amount of testing in Escorts trial period. Visually the 360 c is a huge improvement while adding features that really aren’t terribly valuable. The EX became a giant boat anchor that could have been packed with added performance given its increased size, but was not..... For their current price point I don’t see many “consumers/sheep” running out and buying those high $$$ detectors. That kind of financial outlay is for the enthusiast. It’s like buying a high performance computer. The enthusiast has to have the best, but they are going to do their do diligence befor making a purchase. Scratch that.... they are going to build their own high performance computer.... That is what we are trying to do here. We are trying to build our dream detector at a price point that we see as worthy of that cost. The manufacturer that hears this best stands to do well. If they can come in at a price point the “we” find acceptable it will likely succeed well in the prosumer market. 700 is not a consumer price point. It is an enthusiast price point and must offer enthusiast performance. Cedar doesn’t care because they own all the consumer grade detector companies. If Uniden or Radenso or Heaven forbid RM comes thru with a bells and whistles detector that drives like a Ferrari, it is going to be good for them. If Escort does it first, it will be good for them. Until the next technology jump takes place. Unfortunately for Escort, their price point comes with an expectation you will get service and performance at a level commensurate with the price, and as an Escort fan, I don’t believe they are up to that challenge given their recent history. They need to help themselves out by making believers in their products as Uniden seems to be doing at this time. And honestly this forum will throw its backing behind whoever is the current best of the best until someone else comes along to be the new king. And not because one user or another says so, but because the current data says so. That is just what enthusiasts do.
Well, i was answering the OP's question. Its less to do with price and more to do with performance and filtering.
Got to look at he whole picture when trying to justify and compare price, even if you own a phone. There were too many saying the V1 is $400 and not considering the BT dongle or the need for possibly a dedicated smart phone to be added. Anyone really thinking about it $500-600 is very reasonable for a duel antenna RD with GPS, IF it out preformed others and filtered better.
I know i wouldn't buy this 360c over a V1. So far i looks like it doesn't even hold a candle to it at any price point.
I do feel the V1 is only worth $200. It's range doesn't compare to the Uniden R series, and to really get it quiet and be useful, you have to add bluetooth and basically control it with a smartphone app. The V1, out of the box on it's own, is worth less than a $200 detector to me. Have you noticed how every time the V1 is recommended it's always with a smartphone app or Savvy? If it didn't have these aftermarket options, I don't think anyone would even recommend the V1.
Don't underestimate the arrows, and how the V1 communicates and filters, its why i run it over a Uniden or any other RD for that matter. If you don't need GPS the V1 would be my #1 recommendation, or the new entry level Unidens.
You also have to consider the cost to produce, cant just slap a 10K price on all cars just because they are cars. Having 2 antennas definitely has a cost over a single antenna (GPS features too). And no matter how poor the 360 is at detecting or filtering there is a cost to make it, and its nowhere near $200. Same with the V1 no matter ones feelings about it.
Price is not purely emotional. There are real costs involved.
Based on the fact I paid 399.00 for my R3 with timely updates, awesome range, gps lockouts, segmentation and all the thing I need I wouldn't pay anything more than 150.00 to 200.00 for a 360c.. Proper notice of upcoming radar is the primary function of a RD at least here at my house, thats what I pay for, everything else is secondary..
Honestly, I can afford to pay whatever for a great detector.. I pay for performance, personally I wouldn't buy a 360c even if it were $100.00 if its not going protect me, its actually worthless at least too me, thus the reason my M-360 went in the trash.. I can either trust it or I cant and if I cant then its valueless.. With Escort Radars current situation, I wouldn't take anything from them even if it were free..
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Why would the consumer care what the cost to manufacture something is when considering spending money on something.. V1 is old and cost 449.00 + you need all sorts of stuff to get the best out of it.. 10.00 for an app to run it, V1 connect, Savvy all sorts of stuff.. Or a person can buy a R3 and plug and play and have the latest and greatest.. I wouldn't take an Escort product if you gave it to me, I would by a V1 but only for 100.00 no more.. Way, way to old to be worth more than that.
Banning members from their own forum and then coming here to issue threats probably factors into the attitude about them also.
That certainly hasn't helped their image. They are thrilled with their products over there. Not a single negative product thread.
So.... would you rather have a sugar coated load of bs about a product or would you prefer to read honest informed opinions?
Of course I want honest informed opinions, but to say that their detectors are garbage and not worth buying? That's what annoys me most. I did research other detectors before going with Escort again, but that's because their products, for me anyway, are worth what they charge. It's like buying a new car, I could go with this model that costs 30K and has 250 HP or get the model that costs 25K and has 300 HP. In the end I'll go with the model that hasn't let me down. Even though tests and reviews will say the other is a better bang for your buck. It comes down to personal preference. The day I get pulled over with my EX is the day I'll switch.
You're expecting people to silence their opinions about the detector because you find it to harsh? That is silly.
People can say what they want about the detector, but I'm tired of seeing responses like, you made the wrong choice, you paid too much for a detector that performs worse than one at half the price. Or the smartalec comments about oh the Escort detected in X miles, but the Uniden would've doubled that. It gets old. Let people run what they want.
I never said you made the wrong choice, if you are happy with your purchase that is all that matters. That doesn't change how the radar detector played out in testing and just because you like it doesn't mean that it we need to recommend it to people. People can run whatever they want but it would be silly to not point them towards a better performing detector at a cheaper price.
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