Does Anyone Know Mike Valentine Personally

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  1. johnboy00

    johnboy00 Geaux Tigers! Beginner User Premium Member

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    Calling info about signal orientation a gimmick is laughable. This is the argument of someone whose detector of choice can't provide that information. In this case, the simpleminded strategy of slow down for every alert is not just a good idea, it's a requirement. When you have no idea from where it comes, you must slow down.
     
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  2. PointerCone

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    @blah Subjectively , I agree with much of what you stated, however, a couple of points:

    1. Objectively, this is not true. Testing of the Max360 the past two years has shown its at least equivalent to the V1 in performance and in some cases better.

    2. Why do installed units cause headaches?? Once installed, they are set it and forget it units. Not as if you're tethering a 9500ci to a phone or even have to, so I don't see the issue inherent with a installed unit.

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    Every little bit matters. Mike V probably subscribes to the philosophy that I make a little bit of money OFF of a lot of people. Surehe's not going to shudder if we on the forum stop buying, BUT surely others have put a bite into his apple and it has to be shrinking in size compared to the glory days when competition was scarce. Every sale to another manufacturer, whomever it may be, is truly one less sale to VR.

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    In a way, when it comes to Ka, he does have a point: If its Ka, arrows ahead or behind, I am slowing down. If its Ka and I have no arrows, I am still slowing down. K band, thats a whole other story...........Arrows can be immensely useful, particularly for K band falsing.
     
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  3. johnboy00

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    That's not how I react to Ka. If weak initial signal from behind or side, I do a visual inspection and maintain pace until signal strength begins to increase and/or orientation changes, and then I re-evaluate.
     
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  4. InsipidMonkey

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    If you're somewhere with a dense network of roads, arrows help quickly determine the location of the threat.

    Those who are experienced running detectors without arrows can figure out where the threat is based upon ramp-up and behavior (eg when passing an overpass or large sign) given enough time, but what do you do when all you get is a quick I/O like burst? Without arrows you have no way of knowing whether it is ahead or behind, or on that cross street you just passed.
     
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  5. LouG

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    There are none so blind as those that will not see. Arrows make the difference between panicking at every Ka alert, or slowing a little, scanning for the cop, and getting back to speed quickly.
     
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  6. camkuhns

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    I, for one, prefer arrows. I have used a detector without arrows and whenever it alerted me to a signal, the first question that pops into my mind is which direction is it coming from? With arrows all I do is look in the direction they are pointing.
     
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  7. Bridge Cables

    Bridge Cables Better Than PSL Advanced User

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    OP@moneychanger


    No, I don’t know Mike V. personally, although I did have opportunity to speak with him twice early on. One conversation got a bit heated, and I may not be in his best light nowadays, lol. I may be able to add a bit of insight on your thoughts about a future V1 from my experiences, fwiw.


    First, history shows me Mike doesn’t discuss future plans of the V1 or VR, albeit a very select few in the skunkworks I would think. Lordy, I have asked repeatedly the various tech guys at VR, I keep getting blank stares into the headlights, lol, therefore my thought process.



    I believe he wants all the new features listed in the patents incorporated into the upgraded V1 so you and he don’t have to play table tennis with your V1 going back and forth to Cincinnati, just a one upgrade time. Otherwise with the current patents we would have seen a partially upgraded V1 with new version number(s).


    Mike V. has put in, I would think, major dollars in the R&D, including a PhD mixed into the skunkworks. Years of R&D trying to one up the dB’s of the Redline, (now the R1 & R3 I would guess), plus the patent submissions, usually 3+ years, and again the patent rejection and resubmission. Doesn’t sound like a guy ready for the back forty in the very least. I would think much of the heavy lifting is done for the upgrade, it is just waiting on the remaining patent and then begin the final process of distribution with PC getting the first one, deservedly so, lol!


    As an aside, my –ex put in for a patent when we were still married, costs running well in excess of $15K for a very real Mom and Pop structure. I would imagine many $10K’s, and more likely $100K’s in total R&D investment + patent submission for a true corporation is the norm. My –ex had to go to D.C. to argue the case with our attorney, pity the poor examiner, she won with the beatings that ensued, which I know well of, LOL!!


    Manufacturer time / processes, is measured in a lot of years. For the RDF community time is measured in days and weeks, in the trenches going up against LEO’s amped up on way too much coffee, or just finished with a fight – drunk violating the back seat of his car – ad nauseam, and oh, way too many donuts creating high insulin an a itchy I/O finger. I did pass one LEO today backed in his hiding spot, zoned out into his afternoon naptime, pleasant dreams. Won’t say what town, just want him to keep dreaming about what Santa may bring, he seemed to be smiling, (no lidar I hope, I don’t have parking sensors, yet, lol).


    In one of those early conversations, Mike noted he was stung once by a competitor violating his patent(s). I would hazard a guess it was an issue of whether it was worth going after the perp based on the conditions at the time, ROI. Mike was quite upset over that transgression during our conversation. He did not note the competitor’s name back then. I got the impression it would be just a matter of time, kind of like that chocolate commercial with the elephant and the kid teasing with the candy, then 20 years later, whack! I don’t think Mike is forgetting nor forgiving the competitor based on that conversation. He was upset enough to partially let out some of the details to a customer / me, it appeared more of self-talk by Mike.


    So I feel he wants all patents locked down tight before an upgraded V1 is revealed, not a patent pending that may not come to fruition. Mike definitely has the bucks to go after a patent infringement case now, where he may not have been as well positioned before. What was it, a $5 mil donation to the university up in Cincinnati of late, the dollars are there. We all have seen that recent rejection, resubmission with no guarantees in the fine print in Mike’s recent R&D work / art. I hope that adds a bit of insight from my viewpoint and also a few conversations, fwiw.


    Oh, and Mike, if you are reading this, no comparison intended to the elephant’s waistline and yours, you looked pretty trim in that photo working out over the track hurdle and also at the race track, wish I was in that good a shape, :) ! Hmm, wonder if that hurt my request chances of getting a Ma Kettle voice alert from the V1?



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  8. JTT

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    My ALP+Net Radar has directional awareness, actually. I don't find it useful though.

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    Bingo, but there's more to this business model. To compare, in enterprise software development the idea is to build once and support for decades to come. That's exactly what Mike has done, he spent the up front R&D to build his unit and keeps pumping them out, having people buy these annoying add-ons so he doesn't have to put up the real money to do a proper update. It's on purpose, it's about money. If you guys are ok to settle for a sub par product because the guy wants another 5 years out of his unit it should anger you. it's not cool. These guys are probably laughing as the money rolls in, that's what I would be doing. And by the way, I am not talking specifically to you - but in general. :dance:
     
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  9. LouG

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    Sub par? Because it doesn't have alert bragging rights by a couple of seconds? That sounds like the idiots who argue endlessly over a couple of tenths to 60. Pointless.
    What are you on here for, just a wind up?
     
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  10. JTT

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    Not at all, I wanted the best overall product. I wanted to buy, and wanted to like the V1, but cannot support this business practice. Many don't seem to care about it. That's fine too.
     
  11. blah

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    1. That's not be my experience going back and forth between them. If the testing has shown that than great and I might need to give mine a second chance. My major gripe is how chatty it is when compared to the V1s junk k fighter. Running them against speed signs, the V1 constantly picked it up from father away. Those a both anecdotal and shouldn't be used to make a judgement on the detectors it has just been my experience.

    2. It's the install part that I was talking about when saying they are a headache. It's much more difficult to start using compared to windshield mount. Actually using a installed unit I am sure is easy and great.
     
  12. Tallyho

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    You haven't used the V1 or it's apps. The only thing sub-par around here are your trolling posts.
     
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  13. LeftLaneInPA

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    Using your very own definition, your ALP+Netradar set up is a "gimmick". You don't need ALP+Netradar. You can simply drive the PSL.
     
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  14. Brainstorm69

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    Maybe he just wants royalties from Escort when Escort ends up infringing those patents someday. lol
     
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  15. Buz

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    Required?
    No w/s radar detector can provide the comprehensive information gleaned from a phone. There's not enough real estate to get the job done.
    Actually, the V1 likely provides the most comprehensive, relevant information out of the box than any other detector. [Unless 'frequency' is your primary concern] But I don't think it is since you mention slowing down anytime you 'hear radar'.

    Speechless, but I'll give this one a crack:
    If you could design/build the ultimate radar detector, would it determine the location of the threat(s)? I thought so.
     
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  16. JTT

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    I said properly, to be competitive with others. I am not going to argue much of my points, since V1 guys will not agree and I am not surprised with it. Next time you see a competitor releasing another hardware update and Valentine does nothing, remember that you guys like it the way it is... and Mike knows it. /end rant
     
  17. PointerCone

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    In a way, when it comes to Ka, he does have a point: If its Ka, arrows ahead or behind, I am slowing down. If its Ka and I have no arrows, I am still slowing down. K band, thats a whole other story...........Arrows can be immensely useful, particularly for K band falsing.
    @johnboy00 Had one today in fact. Weak Ka, V1 initially shows to the side, LEO marked on Waze so I slow anyway. Well I'll be damned if he wasn't hanging a Stalker out his open driver's window in a Buffalo Grove SUV and it appeared to be at first to the side and the closer I got the more forward it became. My mantra: Since Ka is so rarely a false or J out in the case of the V1 , I always slow for Ka.

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    @JTT I am the antithesis of a V1 tifosi and agree with you that arrows are NOT required. However, I do hold the firm conviction that they are indeed useful and provide valuable "situational awareness" when its needed. Thus, if you can have them on a detector like the V1 or the Max360, why not?? Its not as if they are taking up valuable RD real estate on the display. Obviously ER saw value in them once Mike V's patent expired because they utilized them on their flagship WS mount. I can also see more companies (ala Uniden etc) using arrows or directional awareness for the source. Needed NO; nice to have, absolutely.
     
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  18. camkuhns

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    You got that right. I like the V1 the way it currently is.
     
  19. LouG

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    Fine. We all have a choice, you made yours as did we. I find it strange how people come into the V1 forum and bag our choice, yet I've never felt the need to point out the failings of other brands. I just don't buy them.
     
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  20. blah

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    You have your bias and that is fine but saying things that are completely untrue isn't helping your argument.
     

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