TXCTG - Max 360c Ka33.8. 34.7, 35.5, and K-band Testing Waco Pioneer 11-04-2017 (1 Viewer)

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INTRO

Since TXCTG has a Max 360c in our hands, @Jag42 and I decided it was time for some testing of Escort's newest detector. @Deacon @TXLe.

THE DETECTORS

Escort Max 360c (loaner) - Hwy, Ka 2/5/8, K-band 1/2/3, X off, Laser On, TSR off. [EDIT: At Inferno's request, I was looking at the Max360c settings again in Escort Live, and the segments were not what I remember setting them at. I now believe that the 360c was NOT segmented 2/5/8 on Ka nor 1/2/3 on K, but were simply Ka on and K on. I apologize for this error on my part. I should have rechecked them at the time of testing. Looks like we have some more testing to do to see if segmenting helps detection distances or not on the 360c. Again, my apologies.]
Escort Max 360 (BS69) - Hwy, X off, Ka On, K On, Laser On, TSR off.
Valentine 1 (BS69) - CS (Escort Sweeps(as first sweep) and Tight Sweeps (+/- 50 MHz on the 3 Ka bands) and CS Tight Sweeps X2 (for some 34.7 and all 35.5), TMF 2 on
Escort Redline (BS69) - Hwy, 2/5/8, RDR off, TSR On.
Uniden R3 (BS69) - Hwy, 2/5/8, Ka Filter Off, K Filter On, TSF Off
Uniden R1 (Jag42) - Hwy, 2/5/8, Ka Filter Off, K Filter On, TSF Off

THE COURSES

Since we wanted to get all four bands tested, we used our tried and true Pioneer Pkwy course, which is a very productive course for getting in a lot of runs.

Pioneer Pkwy Course.jpg


Here's a view from behind the radar gun.

Pioneer_Radar_View[1].jpg

THE RESULTS

*********Ka 33.8 (MPH Antenna)*********

TXCTG Waco Pioneer 33.8 (Angled 40 Degrees MPH Antenna) Table by Detector 11-04-2017.jpg


TXCTG Waco Pioneer 33.8 (Angled 40 Degrees MPH Antenna) Graph Ranked 11-04-2017.jpg


33.8 Commentary
  • We started out with 33.8, since it was a known strong suit of the Max 360 original, but we angled the gun about 40 degrees, to make things difficult.
  • I decided to average results to create the ranked graph. I think it sums up things nicely. But if you want to review all the raw data, its in the table.
  • The Uniden R Series did their usual, leading the pack.
  • The Redline was also pretty strong, trailing the R series by just a bit.
  • The Max 360 original will leading the rest of the detectors, wasn't quite a strong as it has been in other 33.8 testing.
  • The V1 was just a bit behind the Max 360 original (they're usually pretty close)
  • The Max 360c disappointed a bit here, and was in last place by a good bit.

*********Ka 34.7 (Angled 40 Degrees, MPH Antenna) *********

TXCTG Waco Pioneer 34.7 (Angled 40 Degrees MPH Antenna) Table by Detector 11-04-2017.jpg


TXCTG Waco Pioneer 34.7 (Angled 40 Degrees MPH Antenna) Ranked Avg Graph 11-04-2017.jpg

Commentary
  • We moved on to 34.7 using an MPH Python Antenna that was tuned to 34.7, and we kept the gun angled about 40 degrees, to make things difficult. The MPH 33.8 antennas when tuned to 34.7 and 35.5 don't seem to output a very strong signal, it was almost like low powered Ka.
  • Again, we averaged results to create the ranked graph. If you want to review all the raw data, its in the table.
  • The Uniden R Series lead the pack by a good bit.
  • The Redline fell down quite a bit here, which was a bit strange.
  • The Max 360c but in a pretty good showing in almost getting Redline range in this test.
  • The V1 dropped off a bit and was somewhat disappointing
  • The Max 360 disappointed here, but 34.7 has never been its strong suit.


*********Ka 34.7 (On Axis, MPH Antenna) *********


TXCTG Waco Pioneer 34.7 (On Axis MPH Antenna) Table by Detector 11-04-2017.jpg


TXCTG Waco Pioneer 34.7 (On Axis MPH Antenna) Graph (Ranked by Avg) 11-04-2017.jpg

Commentary
  • Later on in the day, we decided to run a couple of runs apiece with the MPH antenna pointed straight down the course to see what that looked like.
  • The R series added some detection distance, but not alot.
  • The Redline really did much better, adding quite a bit of detection range.
  • The V1 also bumped up nicely in detection distance. After the first two runs, we decided to try a run using Tight Sweeps X2. It did about the same as its first run using Escort sweeps plus tight sweeps.
  • Strangley, the Max360c went backwards with the gun on axis, losing 2 tenth of a mile.
  • The Max 360 Original didn't gain anything from the gun being on axis, either.

*********Ka 34.7 (On Axis, ATR) *********

TXCTG Waco Pioneer 34.7 (On Axis ATR) Table by Detector 11-04-2017.jpg


TXCTG Waco Pioneer 34.7 (On Axis ATR) Graph (Ranked by Avg) 11-04-2017.jpg


Commentary
  • After the 34.7 on axis runs with the MPH antenna, we decided maybe we ought to get in a few runs with a "native" 34.7 gun, so we put the Stalker on axis down the course..
  • The Redline managed to carry the day in 2 runs against the Stalker, just edging out the R series, and pretty much maxing out the course.
  • The Rs were right behind, again, pretty much maxing out the course.
  • We left the V1 set up with tight sweeps X2, and it did some pretty significant damage, nearly keeping up with the R Series and Redline.
  • The Max360c wasn't that far behind, clocking in at just over 2 miles.
  • The Max 360 Original was the laggard, at nearly 1.9 miles.
  • The ATR really puts out the juice, and on axis pointed straight down the course, all the detectors did pretty well.

*********Ka 35.5 (Angled 40 Degrees, MPH Antenna) *********

TXCTG Waco Pioneer 35.5 (Angled 40 Degrees MPH Antenna) Table by Detector 11-04-2017.jpg


TXCTG Waco Pioneer 35.5 (Angled 40 Degrees MPH Antenna) Ranked Avg Graph 11-04-2017.jpg


Commentary
  • For 35.5, we started off with an MPH antenna tuned to 35.5. It seems like the farther you tune an MPH antenna away from 33.8, the less powerful signal it puts out.
  • The Rs again lead the way, but not by the usual amount. It seemed like the signal was weak enough that the terrain (mainly a tree line about a 1/4 of a mile away from the gun) started to limit the detection range.
  • The Redline was next, but not far from the R series.
  • We left the V1 set up with tight sweeps X2, and it wasn't far behind the R series and Redline.
  • The Max360c wasn't far behind the V1.
  • The Max 360 Original was again the laggard, but by a negligible amount.

*********Ka 35.5 (On Axis, MPH Antenna) *********


TXCTG Waco Pioneer 35.5 (On Axis MPH Antenna) Table by Rank (1 Run) 11-04-2017.jpg


TXCTG Waco Pioneer 35.5 (On Axis MPH Antenna) Graph by Rank (1 Run) 11-04-2017.jpg


Commentary
  • With the MPH antenna tuned to 35.5 and angled 40 degrees results being so close,we decided to try aiming the MPH antenna straight down the course to see how that would change things. We got some better separation. Note that this was only one run, not 2 or 3 like the others.
  • The Rs again lead the way, and this time more like the usual amount, with Jag42's hot R1 smoking the laggard V1 by over 2 to 1.
  • The Redline wasn't far behind the R3.
  • Then there was a pretty big drop off to the Max 360c, Max 360, and V1

*********Ka 35.5 (Angled 40 Degrees, Kustom Talon)*********

TXCTG Waco Pioneer 35.5 (Angled 40 Degrees Talon) Table by Detector 11-04-2017.jpg


TXCTG Waco Pioneer 35.5 (Angled 40 Degrees Talon) Graph by Rank 11-04-2017.jpg


Commentary
  • We decided it would also be good to get in a couple of runs apiece with a "native" 35.5 gun, so we threw Jag42's Kustom Talon up. We knew that it puts out a lot of power, so we angled it 40 degrees across the road. It didn't disappoint, and again we got some good separation.
  • The Rs again lead the way.
  • The Redline, while always strong on 35.5, just couldn't quite keep up with the R series.
  • The V1 managed to make a strong showing here, nearly equaling the Redline. Impressive.
  • Then there was a pretty big drop off to the Max 360.
  • The Max 360c really disappointed here, lagging nearly a half mile behind even the Max 360 original.

*********K-Band (On Axis MPH Antenna)*********

TXCTG Waco Pioneer K-Band (On Axis MPH Antenna) Table by Detector 11-04-2017.jpg


TXCTG Waco Pioneer K-Band (On Axis MPH Antenna) Graph by Rank 11-04-2017.jpg

Commentary

  • We knew from past experience we could shoot the K-band pretty much straight down the course and do ok for separation.
  • Again, the Rs lead the way (are we sounding like a broken record?).
  • The Max 360 original has been known for strong K-band performance, and it did pretty well again, with one "moon sniff" out in R series land.
  • The Max 360c, while not keeping up with the Max 360 original, was still pretty strong.
  • The Redline followed up closely behind, and was probably held back a bit by having TSR on (I know it's not an apples to apples comparison when neither of the 360s had TSR on, but you don't need to run TSR on with either of them to block out BSM. You do with a Redline.)
  • The V1 really disappointed here. It seems that TMF2 really does take a bite out of K-band range, or it least it seemed so on this test.

FINAL THOUGHTS

As always, Jag42 and I had a great time! It was a really long day of testing, but we felt like we got a lot of good data.

We really wanted to run the Max 360c through its paces, and get a feel for how it stacks up against it competition, especially the original Max 360. All in all, it seems that it's pretty much a wash with the Max 360 original. It seems better on 34.7 by a bit, but lagging a little on 33.8, 35.5, and K-band. When compared to the Uniden R series, it still doesn't stack up performance-wise, pretty much getting dusted on every band by a detector that is nearly half its price.

Finally, I'll end with my usual admonishment. This is just one test. You need to look at various tests, by various people, in various terrains, etc. to get a true picture of a detector. So make sure to do your homework and check out as many as you can. I'm sure there will be more testing of the Max 360c as time goes on.
 
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Wow you two are machines, Thanks for all the hard work.
 

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Great testing as always. Many thanks for putting in the time for all this. Cheers!
 

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Can you please confirm how all of the settings were configured on the 360 and the 360c (not just the bands)?
 

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Thanks for the testing TXCTG!

Really interesting results with the "tuned" MPH antenna.

Were WiFi and BT enabled on the 360c? Can you post the full sweeps used for the V1?
Tight Sweeps (+/- 50 MHz on the 3 Ka bands)
Does this mean you had a 33.8 sweep defined?
 

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Great job guys, Thanks!

Considering the price difference, I think I will go with the M360 vs M360c. Of course R1/R3 doing what they do best
 

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Great presentation ! The low powered MPH antennas blew our mind. @Dukes,which is why we wanted to run the ATR and Talon, to see the difference. All in all it was a very productive exhausting day. Max 360c was not impressive. We think 34.7 was enhanced over 33.8 and 35.5,it pulled of some lucky Redline territory. It did seem like it was snoozing,and the ramp up was extreme. Brian's R3 is pretty close to my R1. My production R1 gets the moon sniffs easily.
 

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Wow!! Thanks guys!!

Surprised to see the c do well on 35.5. Would've thought 33.8 would've done better. K band as well.

But surprised on the Max-O, especially with the 33.8. Hrmm..that's the way it goes I suppose.

Thanks a bunch guys!!

Btw, Jag's R1, KILLIN IT!! Godzilla returns!


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thanks a lot guys for the long day and hard work and great write as per usual

I think everyone can acknowledge the R series is in a class of its own (Redline -O can keep up sometimes, but lacks the filtering) so it's no surprise the c couldn't keep up - I don't think anyone expected it to be on par with either RD

Great presentation ! The low powered MPH antennas blew our mind. @Dukes,which is why we wanted to run the ATR and Talon, to see the difference. All in all it was a very productive exhausting day. Max 360c was not impressive. We think 34.7 was enhanced over 33.8 and 35.5,it pulled of some lucky Redline territory. It did seem like it was snoozing,and the ramp up was extreme. Brian's R3 is pretty close to my R1. My production R1 gets the moon sniffs easily.
Can you give a little insight on the ramp you saw with the Max detectors ? - I/O like?

(obviously when you have a chance, know you're going to be bombarded with requests and it's late)

thanks for getting these up so quick - you guys probably should be in bed right now - you can wake up to 100 alerts in the morning :cool:
 
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I'm pretty sure Max 360c had bluetooth and wifi enabled. If your looking to tweak the settings for more range,you need to upgrade the detector. Your Ka performance will still be a hit and miss on this platform. It's just not there on consistancy. It will have a good run,then will have a really bad run. I need a Rd that is super sensitive and reliable on all bands,like my R1 and R3's. The Redline,V1,RPSE are really good Rd's,but i need the extreme sensitivity for selective instant on.
 
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Good job and a great write up. Thanks for posting the results so quickly.

I hope the other user oriented features are top notch. $700 is a lot to money for mediocre detection range that is on par with RDs that have been out for several years.
 

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Woot woot thanks TXCTG.
 

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thanks a lot guys for the long day and hard work and great write as per usual

I think everyone can acknowledge the R series is in a class of its own (Redline -O can keep up sometimes, but lacks the filtering) so it's no surprise the c couldn't keep up - I don't think anyone expected it to be on par with either RD



Can you give a little insight on the ramp you saw with the Max detectors ? - I/O like?

(obviously when you have a chance, know you're going to be bombarded with requests and it's late)

thanks for getting these up so quick - you guys probably should be in bed right now - you can wake up to 100 alerts in the morning :cool:
Ramp up was Instant on like on a C/O alert, I felt like we had to nudge the Max's to wake them up on runs. Alerting not until a kill zone is no bueno.
 

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Finally, I'll end with my usual admonishment. This is just one test. You need to look at various tests, by various people, in various terrains, etc. to get a true picture of a detector. So make sure to do your homework and check out as many as you can. I'm sure there will be more testing of the Max 360c as time goes on.
This sums it up best. There are other factors that are almost impossible to incorporate into this type of testing. I know you guys have spent a lot of time doing this testing and in no way, shape, or form am I discounting that. However, with that said, these tests represent a very specific use-case scenario centered around distance. Yes, distance is important to some degree, but it would be interesting to see similar tests that illustrate the overall efficacy including not only distance, but also filtering, directional alerts, crowd sourcing alerts, etc.. If such tests were performed, you'd see very different looking graphs with different "winners". Some wouldn't even be in the running because they don't have that functionality.

I agree whole heartedly with your sentiment - there is no substitute for real-world interactions. You could probably ask 100 people in this forum what their "real world" means to them and I wouldn't be surprised if you get 100 different answers. We all have different priorities, locations, environments, driving habits, etc.
 
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Great job guys!! Goes to show the R-series are Machines and keep on dishing out the punishment in all the test! They are defiantly the New King!
 

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BRUTAL punishment. Nothing so far that I've seen has put Jag's R1 to bed. That thing is HOT. BS's R3 close behind.

--- Post updated ---

I felt like we had to nudge
ah...good old "sleeping beauty" has returned I see....
 

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Ya, I have to put ice on my R1 cause she is smoking hot. I still want to test GPS turned off on the R3 vs Ka band more. The R1's seem to be a bit hotter and detect the early whiffs. Brian's R3 could not detect some of the early whiffs of the R1.
 

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