Oops! Eastern Southland Police (NZ) forgot to calibrate their radars...

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Brand new equipment, that is worrying. Hopefully sticking to their trusty 34.7 and not wondering into 35.5 or even K band territory.
 

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I'd be surprised if they went back to K, they got rid of it because of poor performance originally. 35.5 is a worry, I might have to change my sweep sets.
Any tickets they wrote with uncalibrated units will be invalid, I hope people are clued up enough to follow this up. But what worries me is the roadside suspensions and licence loss on demerits due to tickets from these units.
I wonder if the cops have calibrated their car speedos? probably not. Seriously Mickey Rat performance from NZ Police, you never saw this kind of cock up from MOT.
And, typical poor journalism. "How many speed related crashes occurred", as if drivers knew that the gear was faulty and deliberately drove fast and crashed. Or, that speed enforcement actually makes a difference to crash rates.
 
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Some one will request to know under the Official information Act.....

https://fyi.org.nz/list/successful?utf8=✓&query=radar&request_date_after=&request_date_before=&commit=Search


There's 4 or 5 really good information requests on this search list from fyi.org.nz

I've read most of this stuff already, but good to know Police policy, enforcement rules.

The best on there is from 2013, really detailed about the equipment used in NZ. customization made for NZ etc, frequencies, reduced range, the removal of "same lane" measuring while moving... didn't know that.

There's training manuals for the Staulker Dual & Stalker DSR manuals..good to know how they work, and what the officer is seeing on his display. There's logic examples/methods for determining which car is speeding in the crowd etc. Their speed estimation practices.

Anyway, someone will request to know about the equipment under the Act, and it'll get posted. I think the reason there is no update to the equipment documents since 2013 is because the equipment is still the same now... until yesterday maybe.
 

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I'd be surprised if they went back to K, they got rid of it because of poor performance originally. 35.5 is a worry, I might have to change my sweep sets.
Any tickets they wrote with uncalibrated units will be invalid, I hope people are clued up enough to follow this up. But what worries me is the roadside suspensions and licence loss on demerits due to tickets from these units.
I wonder if the cops have calibrated their car speedos? probably not. Seriously Mickey Rat performance from NZ Police, you never saw this kind of cock up from MOT.
And, typical poor journalism. "How many speed related crashes occurred", as if drivers knew that the gear was faulty and deliberately drove fast and crashed. Or, that speed enforcement actually makes a difference to crash rates.
I wonder too if they've calibrated their car speedos, and also if the radar issue might be a bit more wide-spread than indicated. I have had a few hits around Chch ~34.2 which is a fair bit out from the nominal 34.7 over the last several weeks. I have also had three occasions where the V1 has reported 33.8 co-incident with 34.5, and I've only seen 33.8 a couple of times otherwise... That could mean anything or nothing of course. I'd actually be a little surprised if there were to be a significant change in their gear or operating band at the moment (I guess it's possible though) and I wonder if it's just the usual calibre of Stuff reporting colouring the waters a bit.


Some one will request to know under the Official information Act.....

https://fyi.org.nz/list/successful?utf8=✓&query=radar&request_date_after=&request_date_before=&commit=Search


There's 4 or 5 really good information requests on this search list from fyi.org.nz

I've read most of this stuff already, but good to know Police policy, enforcement rules.

The best on there is from 2013, really detailed about the equipment used in NZ. customization made for NZ etc, frequencies, reduced range, the removal of "same lane" measuring while moving... didn't know that.

There's training manuals for the Staulker Dual & Stalker DSR manuals..good to know how they work, and what the officer is seeing on his display. There's logic examples/methods for determining which car is speeding in the crowd etc. Their speed estimation practices.

Anyway, someone will request to know about the equipment under the Act, and it'll get posted. I think the reason there is no update to the equipment documents since 2013 is because the equipment is still the same now... until yesterday maybe.
Thanks for the link, I had seen some but not everything there so that's some good reading material. I'd not come across the the removal of "same lane" measuring while moving either.
 

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I decided to throw in a couple of 35.5 sweeps and try it for the next month or so. I have another trip to Auck and Tauranga coming up so I'll get a good coverage of heavily Policed areas.
What's the bet I don't see a single cop?
 

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Auckland to Tauranga, depending on time of day you do your travelling, I would bet at least one. I can travel between Christchurch and Dunedin sometimes and never get a Ka hit. Mostly early morning travels (leave at like 5/6 AM).

I decided to throw in a couple of 35.5 sweeps and try it for the next month or so. I have another trip to Auck and Tauranga coming up so I'll get a good coverage of heavily Policed areas.
What's the bet I don't see a single cop?
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Yes, after I saw the opening post, I went straight there to have a quick look. Nothing yet.

FYI, it pays to download and save that information, as it gets taken down after a while.

Some one will request to know under the Official information Act.....

https://fyi.org.nz/list/successful?utf8=✓&query=radar&request_date_after=&request_date_before=&commit=Search


There's 4 or 5 really good information requests on this search list from fyi.org.nz

I've read most of this stuff already, but good to know Police policy, enforcement rules.

The best on there is from 2013, really detailed about the equipment used in NZ. customization made for NZ etc, frequencies, reduced range, the removal of "same lane" measuring while moving... didn't know that.

There's training manuals for the Staulker Dual & Stalker DSR manuals..good to know how they work, and what the officer is seeing on his display. There's logic examples/methods for determining which car is speeding in the crowd etc. Their speed estimation practices.

Anyway, someone will request to know about the equipment under the Act, and it'll get posted. I think the reason there is no update to the equipment documents since 2013 is because the equipment is still the same now... until yesterday maybe.
 

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I decided to throw in a couple of 35.5 sweeps and try it for the next month or so. I have another trip to Auck and Tauranga coming up so I'll get a good coverage of heavily Policed areas.
What's the bet I don't see a single cop?
I am a rep so I drive alot have done 8000kms so far this month I have still only seen 34.7 running my Uniden R1 in KA narrow (around North Island)
 

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I am a rep so I drive alot have done 8000kms so far this month I have still only seen 34.7 running my Uniden R1 in KA narrow (around North Island)
I agree.

I travel a lot throughout the Waikato, Auckland to Hamilton a lot, I get different KA alerts from time to to time but the only ones that result in me seeing a cop are the 34.7 alerts.

All other KA alerts are falses.
 

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The problem with Police guidelines is that if they breach them no one pulls them up. I regularly saw radar enforcement within 200 metres of a speed limit change. That was a no no.
 

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The problem with Police guidelines is that if they breach them no one pulls them up. I regularly saw radar enforcement within 200 metres of a speed limit change. That was a no no.
Hey LouG,

I hear you bro, i didn't know that either, but now i do i'll be questioning the officer on the spot. I've been lasered 50 metres from the sign... when the smart asks me "do i know the limit", i say "no"..... and he points to the sign... wanker

So its something we need to challenge on the road side... just so piggy knows we know.

You show these pricks you know your rights and they soon back off.
 
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The problem with Police guidelines is that if they breach them no one pulls them up. I regularly saw radar enforcement within 200 metres of a speed limit change. That was a no no.
they sometimes run laser on an overbridge in dunedin where it goes from 60-80 and then they have cars further down the road pulling up clients. i am yet to see it but friend got done and told him about 200m rule but think he just paid up.

also seen this coming into ashburton from chch end. cop sits just inside the 50km zone and pings everyone slowing down but they are also less than 200m from speed change (100-50km)
 

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I don't know if I was responsible, but the Nelson cops used to sit 50 metres past 70 km/h sign on Lower Queen Street coming from the 100 area. I wrote to the area Commander and haven't seen them doing it since.

Just as well they don't sit further up on Swamp Rd. (Snigger)
 

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Hey LouG,

I hear you bro, i didn't know that either, but now i do i'll be questioning the officer on the spot. I've been lasered 50 metres from the sign... when the smart asks me "do i know the limit", i say "no"..... and he points to the sign... wanker

So its something we need to challenge on the road side... just so piggy knows we know.

You show these pricks you know your rights and they soon back off.
I see you're using Waze. How's it working in your area? No one seems to use it around Nelson. Mind you, they haven't discovered indicators yet either.
 

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This should be useful, if you plan on challenging the powers to be. Obtained from https://fyi.org.nz/
Interesting. A lot of drivers could win in court if they tried, I've seen many cops breach these guidelines, especially visual tracking history. Cops invariably hit the lights when they lock the speed, I've seen the lights go on the instant my V1 alerted, I was doing 11 over the limit, and I know from experience no one can estimate speeds that accurately. In the MOT days, cops were told speed estimation is extremely unreliable even at 20 over.
Then there's the chances that the cop will not have all the documentation at a defended hearing.
 

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