Do FHP use different methods to measure speed? My V1 never went off

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I got pulled over last night.
He was following right behind me for at least more than 5 minutes but I couldn’t recognize the vehicle because it was in the middle of night and all I saw was just a car with headlights on following me.
Then he lit up his FHP car and pulled me over. He said he's been following me and tagged me at 3 different speeds and he’s writing me a ticket on the lowest one.

Well I’m still very confused because my V1 never went off throughout the whole time. I also have ALP front and rear.
Was he lying or do they use different methods or different frequencies? Or are my V1 settings not accurate enough?
Please let me know what you guys think I’m also attaching my V1 settings to see if there’s anything wrong with my configuration.

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Have you ran this setup long?

It looks as though with your out of the box muting for KA you're telling it to mute 34.7 and 35.5 frequencies, even though you also have them set to custom sweep.

Not saying that's your problem but seems interesting to me.

Also seems very logical that he's using speed reading from simply pacing you, I know locals are real good about that in this area.

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FHP does NOT use K band nor X, so we're left with Ka 34.7 most likely. They also use 35.5 and years ago 33.8, BUT more than likely it was Stalker (allegedly) who got you. NOW, did he really shoot you with radar? The V1 is extraordinarily quick and I doubt that a DSR 2X got through it without an alert. I'll bet dimes to donuts that if he was following you for at least 5 minutes that you were in his sights and he paced you. What does the ticket (UTC) say on it?? They have to put the unit and the serial number on there. Do you have V1D or YaV1 because they'd have logs of his shots??
 
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I use V1D and checked the log just now. The only band my V1 detected was a few K 24.xx bands but no other bands.
I also checked the ticket and it says pace clock, sorry I should've double checked before posting this.

Now my question is, is there a way to prevent or countermeasure this pace clock method?
Due to the speed I exceeded the ticket requires mandatory appearance in court. Can I use attorney for this?
 

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It sounds like he was pacing you. I have seen FHP use 33.8 and you have that muted, so that could be why your V1 never alerted.
 

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I use V1D and checked the log just now. The only band my V1 detected was a few K 24.xx bands but no other bands.
I also checked the ticket and it says pace clock, sorry I should've double checked before posting this.

Now my question is, is there a way to prevent or countermeasure this pace clock method?
Due to the speed I exceeded the ticket requires mandatory appearance in court. Can I use attorney for this?
Definitely use an attorney! Every little bit helps in my book!

Pacing at night is just plain sneaky, the only way I've found to fight against pacing is to learn yourself up on the more common LEO headlights because it's just plain difficult in the dark.

I'll usually slow down until I can verify And then speed back up. But with so many civilians utilizing chargers and explorers so frequently it's quite the task!

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Thanks a lot.
Yeah I never imagined it was LEO until he lit up his car.
I'm gonna have to be more careful espacially at night.
 

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Seems lame, but this is a good start!

Edit: oh and there's nothing more frustrating than finding one of these and then slowing down with a sly smile on your face because you caught a sneaky lurker.. just for it to end up being a mom driving her kids to soccer practice haha
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If something is matching your speed at "mandatory court appearance" speeds, you need to ID what it is; especially at night, not even at those speeds, if it's moving as fast as I am it's probably a cop until I can prove otherwise.

RDs and ALPs are closer to increasing your situational awareness, but they are not a replacement for it.

Pacing is just matching your speed. There's also VASCAR, it's flip a switch for time and flip a switch for distance, and get the time over the distance, no output beyond the car. There's also using a plain old stopwatch between a known distance, and doing some math, and there's the stop watch built into other certain devices that do the calculations for you. These methods are old school, but not without flaw, so a lawyer may help you minimize the impact.
 

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If something is matching your speed at "mandatory court appearance" speeds, you need to ID what it is; especially at night, not even at those speeds, if it's moving as fast as I am it's probably a cop until I can prove otherwise.
Very well put! Exactly what I do as well.

Speaking of, OP you've done a very good job tapdancing around it so far, but just how far over PSL were you? Inquiring minds would like to know

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FHP uses Pacing for sure, they have calibrated Speedometers, so if he was following you for a while then he could easily have matched your speed for enough time at a few different speeds to issue a citation.

They also use radar (CO and IO), Laser, Vascar, air patrol (Vascar from a plane) its a little intense down here at times :)
 

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If something is matching your speed at "mandatory court appearance" speeds, you need to ID what it is; especially at night, not even at those speeds, if it's moving as fast as I am it's probably a cop until I can prove otherwise.
This. Yeah at first I felt weird when that vehicle looked like as if it didn't want to keep its distance too much from me, and when I sped up so did it.
I noticed it following me like this when I got on ramp so basically he started following or pacing me before I got on the highway.
I didn't even know what pace clock was so I guess I learned a lesson a little hard way this time.

To be honest it's a little embarrassing to disclose but PSL was 70 and I was going a little over 120, which was when he lit up his vehicle and pulled me over.
He wrote me ticket for 119 though, saying that it'll save some money.
 

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This. Yeah at first I felt weird when that vehicle looked like as if it didn't want to keep its distance too much from me, and when I sped up so did it.
I noticed it following me like this when I got on ramp so basically he started following or pacing me before I got on the highway.
I didn't even know what pace clock was so I guess I learned a lesson a little hard way this time.

To be honest it's a little embarrassing to disclose but PSL was 70 and I was going a little over 120, which was when he lit up his vehicle and pulled me over.
He wrote me ticket for 119 though, saying that it'll save some money.
DAMN. Speeders 101, don’t speed/really open it up at night. Nighttime reduces your situational awareness. Think about it, if it was daytime, you would’ve pegged him as an Leo right away.
Personally, I keep my speeding to the day time. Night increases the risk or stationary/rolling I/O.

When you got the ticket he mentioned court, did he say criminal speeding, or anything of the like instead of outright paying the ticket. If you’re going to fight it, which is a whole different beast, get a GOOD lawyer.

http://fightyourspeedingticket.com/thirty-miles-over-the-posted-speed-limit/

According to this website, you could have been charged with recklessness and the other ones mentioned on there. Let us know so we can help you. If it’s more severe, we need to know so we can recommend appropriate action. We might not have any traffic lawyers, but we have people with some legal knowledge and experience. Hope this helps


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Now my question is, is there a way to prevent or countermeasure this pace clock method?
The only reliable countermeasure for pacing is the Mark 1 Eyeball.

I wish you well at your court appearance. For 119 MPH in a 70 I definitely recommend you go with an attorney. Just be aware that if it was pacing, and he's got dashcam footage to back it up (and he probably does), I really doubt you're going to manage to get off scot-free.

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DAMN. Speeders 101, don’t speed/really open it up at night. Nighttime reduces your situational awareness. Think about it, if it was daytime, you would’ve pegged him as an Leo right away.
Also, despite the temptation to do so, don't go really fast in you're the only car on the highway. If you're the only car within sight, you're also the only target within sight.

The only ticket I've got in the past 15 years for going over PSL was when I was opening it up on the Interstate and I was the only car on the road. I was easy pickings for the trooper hiding behind some overgrowth in the median.
 

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When you got the ticket he mentioned court, did he say criminal speeding, or anything of the like instead of outright paying the ticket. If you’re going to fight it, which is a whole different beast, get a GOOD lawyer.

http://fightyourspeedingticket.com/thirty-miles-over-the-posted-speed-limit/
He didn't say criminal speeding or other things. But he mentioned 3 different speeds he tagged me on and that I'll be paying highest fine if he wrote the fasted speed on the ticket.
As a closing comment he said I didn't tailgate anyone so he gives credit for that.

I think I'm going to use a lawyer from this website. Or do you have any other recommendations for finding a lawyer?
 

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do you have any other recommendations for finding a lawyer?
Call only the lawyers in the county the ticket happened until you find the one with a deal two steps above the rest
That's the one that knows the prosecutor

It may take 36 phone calls
But I promise
You're not going to like what most say
 

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