[Patent] High Probability of Intercept Radar Detector (part 2)

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I get what you're saying. But let's look at it another way, Escort and Cobra have been pretty successful over the years to the average users. To the average user who notices those V1 and Escort ads in car magazines all these years, both have been successful. You're speaking as enthusiast when you say had he done things differently. To the average user, who sees those ads, they are probably thinking that Escort and VR must be doing something right after all these years.

We'll never know how much more or less successful VR would have been had Mike done things differently. But it is possible that he could have been even more successful had he done things differently. As it is possible he could have been less successful had he done things differently. All you can really say is that his way (however unconventional it sometimes seems) certainly didn't prevent him from being successful, and may or may not have been the cause of his success.
 

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We'll never know how much more or less successful VR would have been had Mike done things differently. But it is possible that he could have been even more successful had he done things differently. As it is possible he could have been less successful had he done things differently. All you can really say is that his way (however unconventional it sometimes seems) certainly didn't prevent him from being successful, and may or may not have been the cause of his success.
You're talking in circles like a politician.

Couldn't you have just said no one how where he would be had he done things differently? -- Grammar police, please fix as needed.
 
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You're talking in circles like a politician.

Couldn't you have just said no one how where he would be had he done things differently? -- Grammar police, please fix as needed.
Grammar police here on the scene :police3: . This is incoherent and makes absolutely no sense; I have no idea what you’re trying to say.
 
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I think @Brainstorm69 post was very clear. He wasn’t contradicting himself or talking in circles. He said basically no one can say for sure if VR would’ve been more or less successful if they’d done things differently, but clearly the way they do things didn’t prevent them from succeeding.
 

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But some patents have everything to do with products. LOL
Especially looking back at original transformational affects Cincinnati Microwave had back in history first coming out. Autotronics had super het with Super Snooper before Escort model. However, it was all the design, new patented processes, that moved this whole industry in gear last time. Similar for the first Passport. Same when MV came out with V1. He is a creature of habit. This does make a difference to him, agree with his methods or not.

Unless he has changed MO... All these patent efforts are not for his personal gratification only. Something is coming out of this. What he is focused on patent wise transformational? Not sure. However, it does make his future products further detached from the silly contract manufactured “crap” he will compete with. And we use today. Just like the old days of sheet metal riveted crap, and blinking light snooping vinyl wood trimmed crap was out there before the Escort.
 

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I think @Brainstorm69 post was very clear. He wasn’t contradicting himself or talking in circles. He said basically no one can say for sure if VR would’ve been more or less successful if they’d done things differently, but clearly the way they do things didn’t prevent them from succeeding.
So what's the point of stating the obvious? The wind could be coming from the east tomorrow, or perhaps the west. Either way, there might be some wind tomorrow, or maybe not. Please.

My original post was not directed to him, and my point was, it gets tiring hearing bozo's proclaim how they would do things so much better. Imho, Mike has earned the right to run his business the way he see's fit. He's done a pretty darned good job, and frankly doesn't give a crap what the peanut gallery thinks. I admire that.
 

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Ok, let's move this back over to another thread --> V1 WILL be updated
And reserve this one for patent updates.

Thanks,
--Former Guilty party of de-railing the thread, beseaching others not to de-rail this thread.
 

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'852 - VR paid the $500 fee. In 3-4 weeks, the Issue Notification (and Patent Number) should be mailed. And 6 weeks after that it should be a patent.
'873 - VR made their arguments, revised their claims in response to the Non-Final Rejection mailed on 7/23/2019. Ball in Examiner's court.

These arguments include, in part, how VR will be using the FPGA:

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Full revisions and arguments can be found in the attached document.

Please limit discussion to the patent updates, and use the mega-thread --> V1 WILL be updated for speculation.
 

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Thanks for the update. As I had speculated in the Mega Tread, one of the applied for Patents was about to get its number issued and a Patent Start Date.
 

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I'm not sure if technologically overcoming the BSM false issue will require patents, but if so VR is wasting their time pushing only for improvements in areas that matter LESS than removing BSM falses from the picture.
The RD industry in general is on a downward spiral into the abyss if K band falsing isn't addressed first and foremost before anything else.
 

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I'm not sure if technologically overcoming the BSM false issue will require patents, but if so VR is wasting their time pushing only for improvements in areas that matter LESS than removing BSM falses from the picture.
The RD industry in general is on a downward spiral into the abyss if K band falsing isn't addressed first and foremost before anything else.
That depends a lot on the method (programming) and hardware (circuit) that is used.

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Thanks for the update. As I had speculated in the Mega Tread, one of the applied for Patents was about to get its number issued and a Patent Start Date.
From a patent and product standpoint, this is not about a volume/mute/power button from China. The patents here are radically different, takes radially different hardware, chips, FW/software, and possible Software Defined Radio. This will not be a V1 with parts replacing same parts from different supplier. Time to ease off on your assumption there will be no big change.
 

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From a patent and product standpoint, this is not about a volume/mute/power button from China. The patents here are radically different, takes radially different hardware, chips, FW/software, and possible Software Defined Radio. This will not be a V1 with parts replacing same parts from different supplier. Time to ease off on your assumption there will be no big change.

You mistook or misread my post. What I was saying was just that I "Mentioned" ONE of the Patents was going to get approved and dated in a few weeks and I happened to mentioned it in the Mega Thread. I didn't make any mention that that was the hold up, I just said there was no way Mike was waiting on patents before doing another production run of current V1s IE any new unit using these Patents is probably two years away, one year if we are really lucky and they have it already on the boards ready to do a production run just waiting on patents IE no reason to NOT do another run of current V1s. VR and MV do NOT release products with Patent Pending on them IE nothing is coming until he has ALL the needed Patents approved with issued protective official Patent Dates.

This Patent info in no way currently changes my speculation. If something was being released only waiting on his $500 October payment to get the Patent Issued, the November Car & Driver ad would have changed. We are waiting on multiple things, either actual parts to do a current production run, more patents, then a run of new patent included V1s. I am still strongly speculating that we will see current V1s back in stock before any improved V1 (my speculation, my opinion).
 

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VR and MV do NOT release products with Patent Pending on them IE nothing is coming until he has ALL the needed Patents approved with issued protective official Patent Dates.
Are you sure that's the case? I saw this on one of the labels submitted to the FCC:
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Are you sure that's the case? I saw this on one of the labels submitted to the FCC:
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That was also on ALL our product labeling as well even though there were no Patents Pending ever. But there are Patents Pending at VR but we all know they will mostly likely never make it into the unit with that label on it because a new unit/upgrade gets them.

Guess I have to be overly specific around here from now on about everything. To my knowledge VR has never released a product with ONLY Patent Pending on it and I’m betting they probably never will.

By the way, how many of those listed Patents have expired?
 

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By the way, how many of those listed Patents have expired?
Ha Ha, really glad you asked that question. Found this:

6,175,324 Police Radar Detector - Expired 2019-10-22 YESTERDAY!!!
5,068,663 Motor Vehicle radar detector including amplitude detection - Expired 2011-01-24
5,083,129 Police radar detector for detecting radar signals and determining the directional origin of the signal source - Expired 2011-02-25
5,250,951 Motor vehicle police radar detector for detecting multiple radar sources - Expired 2011-04-18
& others - Expired on various dates.

My current label has:

7,579,976 Systems And Methods For Discriminating Signals In A Multi-Band Detector - Expires 2028-11-10
7,061,423 Interleaved Sweep For Detection Of Pop Transmissions In Police Radar Detectors - Expires 2024-12-07
6,175,324 Police Radar Detector - Expired 2019-10-22 YESTERDAY!!!
 
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Ha Ha, really glad you asked that question. Found this:

6,175,324 Police Radar Detector - Expired 2019-10-22 YESTERDAY!!!
5,068,663 Motor Vehicle radar detector including amplitude detection - Expired 2011-01-24
5,083,129 Police radar detector for detecting radar signals and determining the directional origin of the signal source - Expired 2011-02-25
5,250,951 Motor vehicle police radar detector for detecting multiple radar sources - Expired 2011-04-18
& others - Expired on various dates.

My current label has:

7,579,976 Systems And Methods For Discriminating Signals In A Multi-Band Detector - Expires 2028-11-10
7,061,423 Interleaved Sweep For Detection Of Pop Transmissions In Police Radar Detectors - Expires 2024-12-07
6,175,324 Police Radar Detector - Expired 2019-10-22 YESTERDAY!!!
Funny 324 was the first one I searched on and it just expired so I figured the others had also. Thanks for searching. I don’t have a good handle on getting the Patent answers I want quickly and have to do 30 searches to get what I’m looking for.
 

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'852 - VR paid the $500 fee. In 3-4 weeks, the Issue Notification (and Patent Number) should be mailed. And 6 weeks after that it should be a patent.
'873 - VR made their arguments, revised their claims in response to the Non-Final Rejection mailed on 7/23/2019. Ball in Examiner's court.

These arguments include, in part, how VR will be using the FPGA:

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Full revisions and arguments can be found in the attached document.

Please limit discussion to the patent updates, and use the mega-thread --> V1 WILL be updated for speculation.
All of us will have our DL's revoked by the state due to age and inabilty to see past our hoods by the time any of this leads to a "new V"...
 

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All of us will have our DL's revoked by the state due to age and inabilty to see past our hoods by the time any of this leads to a "new V"...
Or we will be driving government mandated autonomous cars with no need for countermeasures.

Welcome back, Jennifer. I thought you had gone to the "light" side, Uniden. Ha ha.

A new V??? Are they coming back with that cult TV classic? Psst, nah. You're talking about the V1 Gen 4, aren't you? It's coming. It's just been on a very slow train, it's just beyond the curve. Check back in 2 weeks. I could go into my quirky, opinionated and magisterial synthesis of psychology and neurobiology that explains MV and why he's launching the Gen 4 like this, but I don't think it would be appreciated.

Again, welcome back. Hop on the train when it gets to the station.
 

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