[Patent] High Probability of Intercept Radar Detector (part 2)

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The Lord of Darkness, Michael the Great will punish them with righteous anger and furious vengeance.
Probably by making their plastic toys look like the Persistence of Memory.
 

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That old man that's not doing anything, other than spending his millions, has been up to no good again.

On 8/19/2019, Application 15/486,902 added a transaction "Reasons for Allowance". It joins 15/486,852 High Probability (Rev 1) on the path to becoming a patent.

Using Patent: 10261171 Combined Display of radar signal direction and strength, approved on 4/16/2019 as a guideline,

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In case you're wondering, Application 15/486,873 High Probability (Rev 2) still has a status of Non-Final Rejection Mailed as of 7/19/2019, with rebuttal due by 10/23/2019.

A lot of decisions for Mike to make. Keep producing Gen 3 or start producing Gen 4. But speculation is for another thread, not this one.
 

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That old man that's not doing anything, other than spending his millions, has been up to no good again.

On 8/19/2019, Application 15/486,902 added a transaction "Reasons for Allowance". It joins 15/486,852 High Probability (Rev 1) on the path to becoming a patent.

Using Patent: 10261171 Combined Display of radar signal direction and strength, approved on 4/16/2019 as a guideline,


In case you're wondering, Application 15/486,873 High Probability (Rev 2) still has a status of Non-Final Rejection Mailed as of 7/19/2019, with rebuttal due by 10/23/2019.

A lot of decisions for Mike to make. Keep producing Gen 3 or start producing Gen 4. But speculation is for another thread, not this one.
Thanks for continuing to post updates. The speculation thread I started got locked so everything may just jump back into this thread.
 

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On 8/28/2019, Application 15/486,902 added a transaction "Notice of Allowance mailed". Fees need to be paid by 11/28/2019. Most likely a early 2020 patent.
 

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On 8/28/2019, Application 15/486,902 added a transaction "Notice of Allowance mailed". Fees need to be paid by 11/28/2019. Most likely a early 2020 patent.
So is this the last patent VR needs?
 

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With the two patents issued in April 2019, that should have been enough. Who really knows what VR needs/wants? I think/hope that its all they need.

They still has another application open (dealing with nuisance signals). The open application was cut in half because the examiner said it was two different ideas. The open application is siting at "Non-Final Rejection". The "dropped" half of the application hasn't been resubmitted yet.
 

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... again, patents have nothing to do with product releases. It's like wondering if the sun will come up tomorrow based on the ant hill in your back yard.
 

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But some patents have everything to do with products. LOL
 

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... again, patents have nothing to do with product releases.
For a lot of companies that’s true. For VR it seems they like to do things differently.

We can only hope that if they’re waiting for patents that they’ve been perfecting their implementation this whole time.
 

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For a lot of companies that’s true. For VR it seems they like to do things differently.

We can only hope that if they’re waiting for patents that they’ve been perfecting their implementation this whole time.
For every company it’s true. There’s no logical correlation between patents and product releases.
 

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Lol. I get what both if you are saying.
For every company it’s true. There’s no logical correlation between patents and product releases.
That’s generally true. You can put the product out before the patent is approved. Patent Pending.

The other side that Deacon is trying to say is that Valentine usually waits till the patent is locked in.

They’re really not a large company. To retool and start ordering and assembling their units, with assurances that they will not be violating another patent seems to be a big deal. They hate to pay a royalty for licensing if they don’t have to. Pretty much refuse to.

Like I said. They are a very small company that does pretty much everything in-house. The tooling, molds, supplier lead times, and everything else that goes along with it is a very big expense.

There’s also the loss of their IP if the units go out without some sort of security that whatever they come up with, can’t be ripped off because they’ve infringed on something and it’s been rejected. Meanwhile others get to see how you got where your headed, and all you’ve done is showed them the path to get there.

There are RDF members who tare down new RD’s as soon as they get them to see what makes them tick. I’m 100% sure there are other manufactures that do the same.

Kind of like tipping your hand at poker. Look at all the IP theft going on overseas. Maybe you can’t get a patent everywhere, but it doesn’t sound like he wants to chance it.

There’s lots of companies that make radar detectors that could care less about US patents. Attowave is a prime example. They make all the Unidens. I believe they have a hand in the Radenso XP as well.

They have a pretty large war chest and are right in the area where most of the components are built and shipped from. They can probably afford to re-tool in a hurry if need be. Especially if they’re working towards the same thing Valentine is.

For all we know, the patents that Mike Valentine is working on may not even be for the V1? Sometimes the patent is worth more for licensing to other manufactures. Just sit back and let others continue to pay.

Look at Escort. The patents they hold are worth more than the detectors they sell. They’re not worth a lot without those patents.

I think that’s the angle that most people here alluding to.

Just my thoughts on it.
 

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That’s generally true. You can put the product out before the patent is approved.
It's not generally true. It's always true. One has nothing to do with the other, save the 1 year public disclosure bar.

Patent Pending.
That has no legal weight or significance.

The other side that Deacon is trying to say is that Valentine usually waits till the patent is locked in.
Then his legal team should be sued for malpractice.

They’re really not a large company. To retool and start ordering and assembling their units, with assurances that they will not be violating another patent seems to be a big deal.
How does a patent application correlate to non-infringement of other patents???

You know that when an inventor submits their invention to a patent attorney, that attorney runs a patentability AND infringement search before the process every begins, right? Moreover, inventors in litigious industries order continuous non-infringement opinions. Undoubtedly, every new V1 innovation -- even those he doesn't want to run up the patent flag pole -- are analyzed for infringement.

They hate to pay a royalty for licensing if they don’t have to. Pretty much refuse to.
Again, completely unrelated to a patent filing.

There’s also the loss of their IP if the units go out without some sort of security that whatever they come up with, can’t be ripped off because they’ve infringed on something and it’s been rejected. Meanwhile others get to see how you got where your headed, and all you’ve done is showed them the path to get there.
I have no idea what this means. I think it comes from confusing IP law regimes. If you mean they need to protect their trade secrets, that's true, but that's a question of engineering and unrelated to the patent process. But if you mean they lose their IP by shipping the product, that's incorrect -- they've already disclosed the IP in the patent. Again, I think this conflates patents and trade secrets.

There are RDF members who tare down new RD’s as soon as they get them to see what makes them tick. I’m 100% sure there are other manufactures that do the same.
I'm not sure the relevance of this statement.

Kind of like tipping your hand at poker. Look at all the IP theft going on overseas. Maybe you can’t get a patent everywhere, but it doesn’t sound like he wants to chance it.
Chance what? There's nothing to chance.

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I don’t think you’re following along here.
If not following along means not understanding the invented, fairy tale stories, you’re correct.

I tried to give a professional’s take, but I see it isn’t helpful. I’ll stop getting in the way of truth. Carry on.
 
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Respectfully, those thoughts are contrary to patent law, sensible business practices, and IP law more generally.
I agree, but Mike V has always done things "his way". Mike has always been a contrarian in multiple ways. Bottom Line: We're here because we like the product.
 

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It's always interesting when we get people who think they know how to run a business better than those who have proven to be wildly successful already. The world is just full of know it all, backseat drivers who think they are smarter than everyone else it seems. My way of thinking is, put up or shut up - Put on your big boy britches and show Mike how it's done!
 
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My smarts are in the seat of my pants. RF Designer/Inventor not in my wheelhouse. Ha Ha.

I might not like how Mike runs his business at times (not returning emails, some wild customer service stories/snafus, temporary product stock outs, long times between concepts seen in patent applications vs real life implementation), but I'm still on the bus waiting for his next product/release.
 

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I agree, but Mike V has always done things "his way". Mike has always been a contrarian in multiple ways. Bottom Line: We're here because we like the product.
Yea when I go to Jersey Mike’s, I always get the sandwich “Mike’s Way.” No reason the V1 should be any different.
 

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It's always interesting when we get people who think they know how to run a business better than those who have proven to be wildly successful already. The world is just full of know it all, backseat drivers who think they are smarter than everyone else it seems. My way of thinking is, put up or shut up - Put on your big boy britches and show Mike how it's done!
We'll never know how much more or less successful VR would have been had Mike done things differently. But it is possible that he could have been even more successful had he done things differently. As it is possible he could have been less successful had he done things differently. All you can really say is that his way (however unconventional it sometimes seems) certainly didn't prevent him from being successful, and may or may not have been the cause of his success.
 
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We'll never know how much more or less successful VR would have been had Mike done things differently. But it is possible that he could have been even more successful had he done things differently. As it is possible he could have been less successful had he done things differently. All you can really say is that his way (however unconventional it sometimes seems) certainly didn't prevent him from being successful, and may or may not have been the cause of his success.
C'mon now. The guy has made millions from his business. QED.
 

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