[Patent] High Probability of Intercept Radar Detector (part 2)

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I may be off since i really just skim most of these. But it appears Mike V basically had approval for the main part of next gen V1 but wanted to wait for these add on patents to be in process before ordering the parts needed for the next gen.
 

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I may be off since i really just skim most of these. But it appears Mike V basically had approval for the main part of next gen V1 but wanted to wait for these add on patents to be in process before ordering the parts needed for the next gen.
Looking at Valentine's recent patent activity:

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(The Yellow and Blue Groups are continuations of the first listed patent of their respective color).

The basis for Gen 4 were in the initial patents for Combined Display, and High Probability completed in 2015, and 2017 respectively.

So he must have really wanted the Image Analysis in place before producing the next generation. IMHO, the Image Analysis piece, in part, solves the lack of GPS issue for lockouts and implements the "eSaavy"/Quiet Ride functionality. Those issues have already been solved by the apps providing GPS lockouts and additional functionality. At this point, I don't see buying the accessory needed to implement this functionality. Reserving the right to change my mind after implementation and proven usage.
 

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With patents, there’s no need to wait as your coverage is tied to the application file date. If the full patent has issued then any discussions with the patent office about allowed claims has been completed. Companies will file early to establish as early a file date as possible, often well before the R&D is done.


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With patents, there’s no need to wait as you coverage is tied to the application file date.
Only if your patent is approved, if you are denied then you have no protection. Mike is a cautious fellow. LOL.
 

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I'm a patent attorney that stumbled over here looking for news on the V1. I purchased my first V1 in high school -- 1997!

I haven't read the entire thread so excuse me if I missed the point. As I've scanned the thread, people think there's a reason to wait until patent issuance to release a product. There is not.

In the US, there is a one year bar to patentability from the time of public disclosure. Therefore, Valentine could ship the product and file a patent within one year of the ship/public disclosure. (He would be barred internationally, however, because most other countries require an application before disclosure)

It looks like there are two types of patent filings at issue -- patent applications and provisional patent applications. "Provisional" is a misnomer. It's essentially a brain dump of everything that could possibly be an invention to give the inventor an extra year to file a formal application and claim priority to that original date.

Both application types are typically published 12-18 months after filing.

But the application process and the business/shipping process are wholly unrelated. Don't tie them together.

If anyone has a question, I'm happy to answer it.
 

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I'm a patent attorney that stumbled over here looking for news on the V1. I purchased my first V1 in high school -- 1997!

I haven't read the entire thread so excuse me if I missed the point. As I've scanned the thread, people think there's a reason to wait until patent issuance to release a product. There is not.

In the US, there is a one year bar to patentability from the time of public disclosure. Therefore, Valentine could ship the product and file a patent within one year of the ship/public disclosure. (He would be barred internationally, however, because most other countries require an application before disclosure)

It looks like there are two types of patent filings at issue -- patent applications and provisional patent applications. "Provisional" is a misnomer. It's essentially a brain dump of everything that could possibly be an invention to give the inventor an extra year to file a formal application and claim priority to that original date.

Both application types are typically published 12-18 months after filing.

But the application process and the business/shipping process are wholly unrelated. Don't tie them together.

If anyone has a question, I'm happy to answer it.
Thanks, this is what I was trying to say in post 563 above. I'm not a patent attorney, but I handle all the IP for my business unit, working closely with both corporate and outside patent attorneys. I've also been granted a few patents myself, so I'm aware of how the PTO system works.
 

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Thanks, this is what I was trying to say in post 563 above. I'm not a patent attorney, but I handle all the IP for my business unit, working closely with both corporate and outside patent attorneys. I've also been granted a few patents myself, so I'm aware of how the PTO system works.
Sorry, I didn't see your post but you're obviously correct.
 

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I haven't read the entire thread so excuse me if I missed the point. As I've scanned the thread, people think there's a reason to wait until patent issuance to release a product. There is not.
Welcome! Looking forward to your knowledge and perspective!
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There’s a lot of speculation and guessing going on here.
That’s the only game we can play with Valentine. Mike hasn’t made any detectors that relate to his patents from the last 4-6 years. We could just twiddle our thumbs, but that wouldn’t be as fun. Ha ha
 
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Sometimes patents are written defensively, by that I mean the company filing the patent has no intention of producing the subject invention. By disclosing the invention they can block their competitors (unless they want to pay a royalty), or just create a public disclosure. In the latter case a competitor would not be prevented from producing the invention, but they would not be able to patent it themselves.


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Sometimes patents are written defensively, by that I mean the company filing the patent has no intention of producing the subject invention. By disclosing the invention they can block their competitors (unless they want to pay a royalty), or just create a public disclosure. In the latter case a competitor would not be prevented from producing the invention, but they would not be able to patent it themselves.


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So, do you think that that’s what Valentine is doing?
 

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So, do you think that that’s what Valentine is doing?
I don’t. It is common for companies to file provisional patents with no intention to prosecute. Those provisionals can be used as prior art against any future claimed invention.

But companies don’t prosecute patents unless they want something issued. There’s really only two possibilities. It could be that V1 wants to sell off their portfolio and want a few more bits of property for the sale. Or they really do want protection for a future product. I suspect the former.
 
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There’s really only two possibilities. It could be that V1 wants to sell off their portfolio and want a few more bits of property for the sale. Or they really do want protection for a future product. I suspect the former.
Speculating! You’ll fit in well here. Ha ha

As a faithful zombie, I suspect and hope and pray for the later.
 

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Hard to say, but we’ve seen how much more that patents are worth than the detectors themselves.

Look at Escort.

It looks like car manufacturers in The EU union are mandated to use a camera to read speed signs and limit the speed to them by default in 2022. It’s call ISP.

If there’s a patent by Mike V, that in itself would be worth more than the entire RD market.

Just because he patents something, doesn’t mean it’s for the V1. It could be listed that way to write off the costs.

Mike does like to tinker. I’ll find the links. It’s in another thread.
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It looks like car manufacturers in The EU union are mandated to use a camera to read speed signs and limit the speed to them by default in 2022. It’s call ISP.

If there’s a patent by Mike V, that in itself would be worth more than the entire RD market.
Unfortunately, it’s a US patent, not European.

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I hope there's a lot of humble pies being baked for when it turns out that MV was just waiting for parts. Or, if there's new V1.
I’m not saying this is the case. Just an angle. I hope they come out with something new.

The more competition the better for all of us.
 

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Perhaps. But for my usage V1 does all that's needed. The environment I speed in is nearly always terrain limited, and no detector could offer significant advantages. Twice the range that my V1 can deliver really is meaningless to me. But having CSA's and user marks with selectable warning distance in one package is a real advantage right now.
If the radar manufacturers came out with something even more deadly than I/O then I'd have to reconsider my choices.
 

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I hope there's a lot of humble pies being baked for when it turns out that MV was just waiting for parts. Or, if there's new V1.
An Act of Attainder is being prepared :)to “punish” those who have spread false rumors. :flame:We should know who has egg on their face by....uh..fall?
 

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