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One thing I wish to contribute to this project is a more detailed awareness of the challenges posed by Escort's overly broad patents related to Escort Live (shocker, right?). Much of this I learned during a very expensive lawsuit, so you all might as well benefit from the hundreds of thousands of dollars of what was supposed to be development money I've pissed away on it.

Long story short, you need to be very careful with anything that represents a visual representation of a map on a cell phone screen, and be very careful with anything that involves syncing data back and forth between server/clients and phone to phone. There are ways around it, but if you are going to charge money for this I really recommend talking to an attorney. Escort WILL sue you if they think you are infringing as they need to protect their IP to keep their story alive since they are trying to sell the company.

I would also be careful about separating the forum legally from this project; Escort would just absolutely love to get the whole forum shut down as part of a lawsuit.

You will want to very carefully read:

I wonder where they got their VASCAR database from:shifty:?
 

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One thing that really pisses me off about patents and crap, is the fact that these big name companies often patent crap that has long been done.

I cite Trapster, Waze, RDFGS 1.0 (Android)... etc.

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So much of the stuff we do here is extremely unique, not to mention 99% of the stuff in Escort Live has already been done before - again by various apps.

Big companies irk me.
 

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The worst part is that they don't care whether you have previous IP or not, they know you don't have the money to fight a bogus lawsuit.

It cost me a couple hundred grand to settle a lawsuit BEFORE discovery and the trial even started. And that was as cut and dry a case where we did nothing wrong as you can possibly get. A barebones patent lawsuit is a couple million bucks. Absolutely barebones.
 

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The worst part is that they don't care whether you have previous IP or not, they know you don't have the money to fight a bogus lawsuit.

It cost me a couple hundred grand to settle a lawsuit BEFORE discovery and the trial even started. And that was as cut and dry a case where we did nothing wrong as you can possibly get. A barebones patent lawsuit is a couple million bucks. Absolutely barebones.
That's insane. Well they can sue me all they want I don't have any money to give them, lol.

But yeah, like I said we're intending on doing things right as far as AA goes and I still have some hours left with our LZ attorneys so I will probably talk to them about legal protections against frivolous bullshit. Isn't there business insurance that handles crap like this?
 

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The worst part is that they don't care whether you have previous IP or not, they know you don't have the money to fight a bogus lawsuit.

It cost me a couple hundred grand to settle a lawsuit BEFORE discovery and the trial even started. And that was as cut and dry a case where we did nothing wrong as you can possibly get. A barebones patent lawsuit is a couple million bucks. Absolutely barebones.
What are Escort/Cedar's financials like these days that they can afford to throw money at bogus lawsuits?
 

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What are Escort/Cedar's financials like these days that they can afford to throw money at bogus lawsuits?
Sadly the financials probably don't matter much. For a larger company they probably have an in-house lawyer or three. If you paid each lawyer $250,000/yr as a salary, it would likely be less than you would pay having to hire a lawfirm based on what @Jon at Radenso says the bare bones lawsuit costs. These lawyers are on salary so endless hours are possible with no extra cost to the "client". If Escort really needed to get money for a lawsuit and they have evidence that showed the other company would be highly likely to lose, they could get the money from somewhere.

Unless a defendant has a couple million dollars and is wiling too part with that money, then it's likely a settlement. You would have to have either in-house lawyers on salary or money to burn to enter an expensive lawsuit based on the financial state of the other company (IMO, but IANAL). I'm guessing they would back down from companies that decided to defend if they knew could defend it without impacting their own business.
 

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