Countermeasures in Germany (Munich to French border and back)

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  1. Deacon

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    Yeah, I just got back last week. It was a great trip, and the autobahn was a revelation. I miss it already. I didn't bother setting up any CMs (other than Waze).
     
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    Hi Deacon, I just joined the forum and was searching for someone who used Waze in Germany. I am traveling there in March 2018 to see some friends in Bavaria near Neurnburg and wanted to ask how Waze did out there concerning "police reports" and "red light/speed camera reports", or to ask if it worked at all for that matter? Im using Tmobile and from what Ive been told we have "free" (yeah right, lol speeds) 128Kb data while there and would like to know how Waze performed in these situations. Thanks!
     
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    Waze worked really well and for the most part was good on traffic, too, including construction slowdowns. No cops measuring speed that I ever saw, but every camera was noted.
     
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    Outstanding! That’s what I needed to know. If you don’t mind me asking what cell provider did you use data on for Waze? Were you running low 128kb data limits also? Just wondering if that’s going to be enough for my data use there while using Waze or not. Thanks!


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    No idea. I have AT&T and it chose whatever carrier was good at the time, with no limits on data or speeds.
     
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    I lived in Germany for almost 3 years. I never bothered with any counter measures. The only place they will have speed cameras on the autobahn is in construction. Make sure you slow down through construction zones (usually you have to because they are so tight anyways). outside of the autobahn you will typically be on a priority road passing through little towns. Between the towns the speed limit is usually 100KPH (62mph) but there is very little enforcement in these areas and I never even watched my speed limit out there. Through small towns you will be on what is called a "priority road." Those roads may curve around but are treated as if its the main straight shot through the town and has priority at every single intersection. Where you need to watch you speed is in 30kph zones. They post speed limits like that in places that have high accidents and usually like to enforce them with cameras.

    There are a few different types of cameras to watch out for. Usually you will see a stationary one that is mounted there year around. Those will be high and in a big gray box or a very tall pole in large cities. The second is a vehicle mounted camera. Those will be on the side of the road and inside a very suspicious looking unmarked van. It will look like its broken down but easy to spot that its a trap. The 3rd one I saw was just a camera on a tripod with a wire running from it. Those were used by smaller town police mainly. Very obvious and easy to spot. The hardest to spot but also most rare is a guard rail camera. If you see this one its probably too late. Those will only be in large cities like Frankfurt, Munich, and Berlin. They will be in 110kph zones where speeding is very common and accidents happen frequently.

    Basically Germany only cares if you speed inside of heavily populated areas and construction zones. Everywhere else they don't care about. I never experienced or heard of anyone getting pulled over by Polizei for speeding. They will pull you over to reckless driving or burnouts though. The cool thing about cameras is that they don't see how fast you were driving up to the point they judge your speed so feel free to slam on the brakes and go slow past it and then do a fat burn out once you pass it! If you have an American RD then I suggest taking it. About 50% of the cameras use a band that you can pick up with the RD. Also the tickets are not as expensive so its not a big deal. The biggest deal is construction zones. They have very low speed limits and if you are driving 100kph (62mph) and get a ticket in a 60kph zone then you will lose your license for up to 30 days. Ask me how I know this....

    Honestly you will be fine and realize that as long as you stay out of the left lane when not passing then no one cares how fast you drive! Have fun! Go to the Nurburgring!
     
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    Thanks @Bcoble1. I was stationed with the Army in Hohensfels (25km south east “ish” of Neurnburg) in the mid 90s and even then it was kind of the same situation as you outline above. In 2004 I went back there on vacation and in the city of Neumarkt (Bavaria) I encountered twice a marked polizei BMW with two police officers sitting in it facing the opposite traffic direction blacked out. I brought my original passport 8500 with me on that trip and set it on the center of the dash with a military black cloth stocking “skull” cap over it so it wasn’t visible. The first time I was hit I/o K-band (I wasn’t not in spec mode so I’m not sure what the frequency was) as they pointed it through the front window at cars going by. The second time i was hit twice consecutively by lidar in a 30kph zone. Those instances surprised me because that never happened in the 3 1/2 years in the mid 90s when I was there. I’m reading here in these forums that radar detector use is illegal (you can bring and possess one though) however getting caught with it running in your vehicle will cost you 75 euros, so to play it safe I’m just going to run Waze and leave the detector at home. Thanks for the info!


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