TXCTG - Bergheim Equalizer Curve w/Bonus Rear Detection - 2017-06-11 (1 Viewer)

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INTRO

I met up with [MENTION=201]Jag42[/MENTION] today with two goals. First, I wanted to do formalized testing on rear detections comparing those with only front horns to those also sporting rear horns. There has been much speculation as to whether a rear horn would even be necessary to detect bogeys sneaking up your backside, with some going so far to suggest the new Uniden R1 and R3 models are so sensitive it's like having a rear horn. Second, we were inspired by [MENTION=4479]Dukes[/MENTION] to find to a course with a challenging curve in it that's short and sweet and to the point, something that could draw out some separation and allow lots of runs and a chance to exercise the Unidens a little more.

We succeeded on both counts, I think. It took a lot of trial and error and various different setups on different roads, but we did find a nasty curve right under our proverbial noses that turned out to be the great equalizer. If we had more time, we would've liked to have run this curve with K-band as well. I'm sure we will in the future. Read on. Rear detections first, then the Equalizer.

PS Special thanks to [MENTION=9768]Brainstorm69[/MENTION] for sending me home a couple weeks ago with his Max 360 to make this testing possible, especially the rear detections.

THE DETECTORS

Escort Redline (Jag42)
Escort Max 360 (BS69)
Radenso Pro SE (Jag42)
Valentine V1 - (Deacon)
Uniden DFR6 (Deacon)
Uniden R3 (Jag42)
Uniden R3 (Deacon)
Uniden R1 (Jag42)

NOTE: These are all production units. We did not test any of the pre-production Unidens. Also, all 3 were running prerelease bug-fix firmware that should be publicly available soon. Wanted to make sure tests would be representative of what will be public, in case of any changes.

For these tests we used a Stalker Dual SL with a 34.7 antenna.

REAR DETECTIONS

We could not in a reasonable time frame find a course that wouldn't be terrain limited for the rear horns of the V1 and Max 360. So we made do with what was essentially the typical Bergheim Challenge Course from previous tests but coming from the other way. Note that these terrain limited rear detection results are in meters. I hesitate to even include the "delta" and "percent" columns, as it makes it seem like that's the most the rear horns can do. It's not. And anything over 300 meters for front-only detectors was a lucky reflection from passing traffic (easy to ascertain on this course) versus growing eyes in the back of its head. This is just a sampling of what we could manage within the time and location constraints we had.

TXCTG - Bergheim Rear Detections (by detector) 2017-06-11.png


Look, here's the bottom line. If a detector has a forward facing horn only, great. But even with lucky reflections with the most sensitive windshield mount detectors we've ever seen, you're never going to be even close to the results of having a rear horn. Whether and how much it matters to you is a topic for another thread. Arrows are addictive; in some situations they're they're nice to have while in others they're a lifesaver. Most can go their whole lives without worrying too intensely about arrows in any detector. But maybe one day we'll see Uniden or others step up to the plate and give us some more choices with rear horns. Until then, no, there's no substitute for a rear horn if you want to detect what's coming up behind you.

THE EQUALIZER COURSE

TXCTG - Bergheim Equalizer 2017-06-11.png



Jag42 used his Focus ST as the radar car, parked in the parking lot parallel with the road, facing into the curve, as you can see in the video. This is a cool little curve because of all the factors piled into one, especially elevation changes, direction changes (it's a curve, duh), natural earthen barriers, and foliage. Here's a view from his seat:

TXCTG - Bergheim Equalizer radar car view 2017-06-11.jpg


RESULTS

  • We got to test 8 different detectors, including 3 of the new Unidens--all off the actual production line.
  • Units of measure in these charts are feet. HOWEVER, the measurements are direct as-the-crow-flies measurements to the radar car as determined by GPS, NOT along the road.
  • First table is sorted by detector so you can quickly zero in on a specific detector if you so desire, and the second table is sorted by rank.
  • Second table for each test is ranked ordered from first to last with range, delta from the leader and percentage of the leader.
  • All tables and graphs are color coded by detector.

Bergheim Equalizer Curve - Ka 34.7

TXCTG - Bergheim Equalizer (by detector) 2017-06-11.png


TXCTG - Bergheim Equalizer (by rank) 2017-06-11.png


TXCTG - Bergheim Equalizer (chart) 2017-06-11.png


Bergheim Challenge Course Commentary

  • This was a fun one. All detectors had an equal shot at it, but sensitivity and off-axis capabilities were key.
  • The R1 and R3's pulled it out clearly ahead of the others. Sometimes by quite a lot.
  • The Radenso Pro SE seemed to be the only one to slot in behind the new Unidens but before the rest. Note it was the last one we tested, and we just plain ran out of time and couldn't make a 3rd run. Those 2 runs were pushing it as it was.
  • The Max 360 brought up the rear in this group. In fact the results were almost thrown off from a badly timed Ka false with an initially confusing "side" detection at what would've been an ungodly range. We went back and ran it extra times just to make sure and ditched the inconsistent and frankly ridiculous results.
  • The Redline disappointed, getting lost in the jumble of the DFR6 and V1 (both really good on 34.7) and even falling into the Max 360 territory. I guess sometimes even former royalty can stumble.

FINAL THOUGHTS

It's amazing the little things you learn in testing and how much it sharpens your ability to discern what's going on around you with the detectors--and how to be really nasty if you wanted if stuck with traffic enforcement duty. This one was interesting because of not only the courses run and the results gathered but all the various other courses attempted and tweaked and abandoned for one reason or another. Sure, it's a ton of time and effort, but it really can be pretty interesting and fun sometimes.

In this case it's pretty clear that the new Unidens have not lost any of their verve from the pre-production units. They're not miracles, but in this hobby they represent about as close as you can get. And that's especially important in light of them being windshield mounts that aren't exorbitantly expensive. Look for future firmware updates to address issues, add features, and enhance existing capabilities. It'll be fun to watch this platform mature. And in the meantime, enjoy the drive.

And as Brainstorm69 is so fond of saying, this is just one test.
 
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Thanks for all the effort put into these test guys. Great performance of the production units. Nice to see the RPSE trailing behind the Unidens.
 

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Yes, it's only 1 test, but what the heck happened to the M3s???? I have never seen such a pitiful performance, particularly on Stalker?? I assume they were all mounted in same location? @Jag42 Is that a well-worn RedLine??
 
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Ka filter was off on all Uniden's. RPSE's off-axis abilities showed on the curve. Thanks [MENTION=12732]Deacon[/MENTION] for working with me on my time crunch. 2 Leo's were running radar on our first course,so we left on to the curve. Redline's and othe detectors only alerted about 3-4 hundred feet,before the kill zone,towards the bottom of the curve.
 

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FINAL THOUGHTS

It's amazing the little things you learn in testing and how much it sharpens your ability to discern what's going on around you with the detectors--and how to be really nasty if you wanted if stuck with traffic enforcement duty. This one was interesting because of not only the courses run and the results gathered but all the various other courses attempted and tweaked and abandoned for one reason or another. Sure, it's a ton of time and effort, but it really can be pretty interesting and fun sometimes.

In this case it's pretty clear that the new Unidens have not lost any of their verve from the pre-production units. They're not miracles, but in this hobby they represent about as close as you can get. And that's especially important in light of them being windshield mounts that aren't exorbitantly expensive. Look for future firmware updates to address issues, add features, and enhance existing capabilities. It'll be fun to watch this platform mature. And in the meantime, enjoy the drive.

And as Brainstorm69 is so fond of saying, this is just one test.
Once again thanks guys for your endless testing for all here to benefit from.....I just love my new Uniden....Sure it has a few quirks (that they are working on) but when I see it repeatedly beat my M3 (9500ci) on all KA bands and M3 has everything turned of except 258 (no K, X etc) that is has to scan and Uniden is scanning both K and KA and still whooping some a@$, well all I can say is "Hell yeah, I am a Uniden fan"...
 

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Yes, it's only 1 test, but what the heck happened to the M3s???? I have never seen such a pitiful performance, particularly on Stalker?? I assume they were all mounted in same location? @Jad42 Is that a well-worn RedLine??
Yup, My Redline is hot and had been used alot in testing. It has won many tests with Brians. It was segged 2/5/8. We would have ran 2 Redline's,but were in a time crunch. The antenna was aimed right along the side of the curve. My Redline was serviced before i bought it. Clearly it only saw what the other detectors could see. dashcam was in my car,deacon's 12v ports were full. I can pull footage later. I could see his car,before RL,V1 and others alerted.

PS - We are going to test on this curve again within the month i assume. I will include 2 Redlines,Mag etc.

- - - Updated - - -

Clearly Rex and RPSE could see through the tree foilage,and the others waited to the bottom of the hill. I could tag the Max 360,before it even alerted.The Max 360 was acting really funny.
Deacon and i were on the phone the entire time,so you can see and hear the alerts.
 
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Awesome real world course. Excellent separation. Great Job guys. Those new Unidens are in a league of their own.
 
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Wow thats some really good testing, really putting these detectors to the test! Thanks for the time and effort put forth!
 

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Great job testing, guys! Excellent presentation, Deacon! Good to see that the Rs aren't stumbling after their great start.
 

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Yes, it's only 1 test, but what the heck happened to the M3s???? I have never seen such a pitiful performance, particularly on Stalker?? I assume they were all mounted in same location? @Jad42 Is that a well-worn RedLine??
I think their feelings are hurt by the R1/R3 and they just want to retire at this point and collect social security :p
 

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This more like the type of road I drive on and these tests are invaluable to me. Thanks [MENTION=12732]Deacon[/MENTION] and [MENTION=201]Jag42[/MENTION]. You guys put in so much time testing and it is greatly appreciated.
 

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I see this Uniden model being around for a LOOOOOONG time. Now make a remote unit R3(r) and make more profit $$$$$
 

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Thanks for the rear detection tests! Something I have often wondered about but I don't think I've ever come across a test before. On I-95 on the east coast I encounter a ton of rolling rear I/O, and I'm pretty sure the V1 has paid for itself in those encounters alone.

Really interested to see the results on different bands in future tests. I started a collection of radar guns to test with, and I hope to get something together this summer.
 

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I look forward to a test of various DUAL detectors setups (1 front, 1 rear) and how range is impacted.
 

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Nice work, guys! Thanks for the efforts.

One thing is apparent: Uniden has raised the bar when it comes to radar detection !
 

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Thanks guys for the tests! [MENTION=201]Jag42[/MENTION] [MENTION=12732]Deacon[/MENTION] Very nice to see the RPSE holding its own!


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Great work guys!! I'm continually blown away by your endless passion and energy for testing! Speaking of which, I'll get the RMR out to you guys shortly too. :)
 

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Thanks - this was interesting to read. One question - any reason why X was left ON for the DRF6 and not the others?
 

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Nice Job there [MENTION=201]Jag42[/MENTION] and [MENTION=12732]Deacon[/MENTION]! You guys are founding more ways to test these Rd's. I believe you all are testing every month. Keep them tests rolling! Thanks again!
 

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