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Can someone please help me understand what this below"Scan - Search for frequencies" function is ? Its set to OFF by default factory setting . Another thing i am wondering is the Self Test function. I turned off the Self Test function so its quiet when i start up my car. Is that a bad idea ? Should I keep the Self Test ON ? Thanks

Scan(GPS on) Search for frequencies.
When Scan is off, time displays. R3 receives time from GMT and Daylight Savings Time; both are set in the menus.
 
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So I just put together an article going over the different R1/R3 settings to explain what they do and what the pros and cons are.

http://www.vortexradar.com/2017/06/how-to-program-and-set-up-your-uniden-r1-and-r3/

[MENTION=51]hiddencam[/MENTION], [MENTION=201]Jag42[/MENTION], [MENTION=9768]Brainstorm69[/MENTION], I've been going back through your tests to see the differences in performance due to Ka Wide/Narrow and Ka Filter On/Off. How would you guys summarize the differences in terms of performance? Do you have any good public tests that would be helpful to point people towards so they can see the impacts in practice? [MENTION=51]hiddencam[/MENTION], I used this one to show the impacts of Ka POP on/off, for example.

and finally, here's the settings that I'm using at the moment. I see almost exclusively Ka/Laser nowadays and want a quiet detector. There's very very little legit K band so I'm running pretty aggressive filtering settings on K band, though I've found even with Highway mode it's still relatively quiet nowadays which is great. Sounds like the K filter is getting better. Anyways, here's mine right now.

City
GPS: On
Speed Camera: On
Redlight Camera: On
RLC Q-Ride: 50mph
Voice: Off
X Band: Off
K Band: On
Ka Band: On
Laser: On
K POP: Off
Ka POP: Off
K Filter: On
Ka Filter: On
TSF: Off
K Narrow
Ka Narrow
All Threat: On
Color: Red
Scan: Off
Display: Speed
Speed Unit: mph
Auto Mute: On
Backlight: Off
Quiet Ride: 35mph
Limit Speed: Off
GMT - 8 Hour
DST: On
BAT Warning: On
BAT Saver: Off
Self Test: Off
 

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same for me on highway 59 in Gulf Shores. Had to turn TSR on.
Did you try k filter first? I think that is only have the delay of tsr.
 

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So I just put together an article going over the different R1/R3 settings to explain what they do and what the pros and cons are.

http://www.vortexradar.com/2017/06/how-to-program-and-set-up-your-uniden-r1-and-r3/

[MENTION=51]hiddencam[/MENTION], [MENTION=201]Jag42[/MENTION], [MENTION=9768]Brainstorm69[/MENTION], I've been going back through your tests to see the differences in performance due to Ka Wide/Narrow and Ka Filter On/Off. How would you guys summarize the differences in terms of performance? Do you have any good public tests that would be helpful to point people towards so they can see the impacts in practice? [MENTION=51]hiddencam[/MENTION], I used this one to show the impacts of Ka POP on/off, for example.

and finally, here's the settings that I'm using at the moment. I see almost exclusively Ka/Laser nowadays and want a quiet detector. There's very very little legit K band so I'm running pretty aggressive filtering settings on K band, though I've found even with Highway mode it's still relatively quiet nowadays which is great. Sounds like the K filter is getting better. Anyways, here's mine right now.

City
GPS: On
Speed Camera: On
Redlight Camera: On
RLC Q-Ride: 50mph
Voice: Off
X Band: Off
K Band: On
Ka Band: On
Laser: On
K POP: Off
Ka POP: Off
K Filter: On
Ka Filter: On
TSF: Off
K Narrow
Ka Narrow
All Threat: On
Color: Red
Scan: Off
Display: Speed
Speed Unit: mph
Auto Mute: On
Backlight: Off
Quiet Ride: 35mph
Limit Speed: Off
GMT - 8 Hour
DST: On
BAT Warning: On
BAT Saver: Off
Self Test: Off
Excellent article, and a great future reference for people.

As far as performance difference between settings, that 35.5 test you reference, and this 34.7 test are the only ones I've got. That 34.7 doesn't cover a lot of different combos and in hindsight I wish I'd had more time to dedicate to trying more setting variations. Never enough time! Haha. Not a whole lot of difference in range. But thanks to [MENTION=1835]itwasntme[/MENTION] we know that there's a noticeable real world difference in range between ka narrow and ka wide. His test thread is elevated to intermediate for personal reasons so unfortunately not in public. But yeah, narrow offered noticeably better range in toughest terrain situation.

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As far as summarizing performance differences, I'd say:

Best performance: Ka narrow, Ka filter off, Ka POP off with some measurable risk against out of tune guns (depending on where you live).

Slightly worse than Best performance: Ka wide, Ka filter off, Ka POP off. Wide eliminates risk against out of tune guns, at a slight range hit.

Next worse for 34.7 and 35.5 but better for 33.8: Ka wide, Ka filter off, Ka POP on. POP on seems to spend more time scanning 33.8 at the expense of 33.5 (per that test) and presumably 34.7 (not tested).

Worst settings: Ka wide, Ka filter on, Ka POP on. Ka filter slightly reduces reactivity and range, but the upside is that it eliminates false Ka (confirmed during that 34.7 testing where there was a 33.8 false at the start of course 3).

Personally, I'm not interested in Ka filter and will tolerate the occasional cobra false (very occasional btw). I like the first two of the above settings. I've mostly been running Ka wide since the last firmware update, and it's been performing great. I've had very few Ka ghosts on the highway and non-congested retail areas (probably 5 or so, 3 of which were in a construction zone with k drones everywhere so that's very limited and doesn't really count in my book) and they're not occurring often enough to be annoying or to motivate me to put it back to narrow to avoid the ghosts. I will probably go back and forth between narrow (most of the time) and wide (every now and then) just to make sure there aren't local LEOs with out of tune guns. But narrow is obviously the best choice for speed scallywags looking to eek out the best performance in tough terrain.
 

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So I just put together an article going over the different R1/R3 settings to explain what they do and what the pros and cons are.

http://www.vortexradar.com/2017/06/how-to-program-and-set-up-your-uniden-r1-and-r3/

[MENTION=51]hiddencam[/MENTION], [MENTION=201]Jag42[/MENTION], [MENTION=9768]Brainstorm69[/MENTION], I've been going back through your tests to see the differences in performance due to Ka Wide/Narrow and Ka Filter On/Off. How would you guys summarize the differences in terms of performance? Do you have any good public tests that would be helpful to point people towards so they can see the impacts in practice? [MENTION=51]hiddencam[/MENTION], I used this one to show the impacts of Ka POP on/off, for example.

and finally, here's the settings that I'm using at the moment. I see almost exclusively Ka/Laser nowadays and want a quiet detector. There's very very little legit K band so I'm running pretty aggressive filtering settings on K band, though I've found even with Highway mode it's still relatively quiet nowadays which is great. Sounds like the K filter is getting better. Anyways, here's mine right now.

City
GPS: On
Speed Camera: On
Redlight Camera: On
RLC Q-Ride: 50mph
Voice: Off
X Band: Off
K Band: On
Ka Band: On
Laser: On
K POP: Off
Ka POP: Off
K Filter: On
Ka Filter: On
TSF: Off
K Narrow
Ka Narrow
All Threat: On
Color: Red
Scan: Off
Display: Speed
Speed Unit: mph
Auto Mute: On
Backlight: Off
Quiet Ride: 35mph
Limit Speed: Off
GMT - 8 Hour
DST: On
BAT Warning: On
BAT Saver: Off
Self Test: Off
Thanks Vortex. I observe something different with K Pop on although you only mention reduced range with KA Pop. Using a speed trailer as a K source (I know, not a threat and not the best test source) I notice that detection distance is greater and actually more signal bars (2 dots) are present with K Pop on with the R3. This is with no K filter enabled and in Highway mode.

I asked about this previously and one of the replies indicated that some K filtering is probably bypassed with it enabled. If so, reactivity is increased hence the illusion of greater range possibly.

I am very curious if any distance testing will be done with a real K source with this function toggled?

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Thanks Vortex. I observe something different with K Pop on although you only mention reduced range with KA Pop. Using a speed trailer as a K source (I know, not a threat and not the best test source) I notice that detection distance is greater and actually more signal bars (2 dots) are present with K Pop on with the R3. This is with no K filter enabled and in Highway mode.

I asked about this previously and one of the replies indicated that some K filtering is probably bypassed with it enabled. If so, reactivity is increased hence the illusion of greater range possibly.

I am very curious if any distance testing will be done with a real K source with this function toggled?
Ah cool, thanks for the report! Yeah that doesn't surprise me actually. We saw the same thing with improved reactivity/performance with the V1 with K POP On. BSM falsing was worse with it on and that only worked with TMF off, but the results were similar. I don't think that running it that way is usable in practice unless you're out in the boonies or something, but that would be a good situation for it. I'll update the article. :) Thank you!
 

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Thanks Vortex. I observe something different with K Pop on although you only mention reduced range with KA Pop. Using a speed trailer as a K source (I know, not a threat and not the best test source) I notice that detection distance is greater and actually more signal bars (2 dots) are present with K Pop on with the R3. This is with no K filter enabled and in Highway mode.

I asked about this previously and one of the replies indicated that some K filtering is probably bypassed with it enabled. If so, reactivity is increased hence the illusion of greater range possibly.


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Not an apples to apples comparison but, when testing my V1 against stationary K band speed cameras in NYC, I found the only way to get any kind of usable detection range was to turn K Pop on. With these speed cameras the K band signal is broadcast on an angle across the road and the devices compensate for cosine affect to render true vehicle speed. This extreme off axis, low power K band signal is very hard to detect. I think, on the V1, with K pop off there is some type of off axis signal filtering going on that has to be eliminated for reactivity reasons when K Pop is on. Testing the Escort Redline which has no K Pop setting with these same speed cameras showed that it was practically blind to them only able to detect them within a few feet, well within in the kill zone, and then only when facing the oscillator directly. So, even with K Pop off and K filter off, it's not hard to believe there may still be some type of K band filtering going with the R3/R1. As a side note, with the V1, I also found I could get longer alert distances on K band with K Pop on, testing against more traditional K band sources on the twisty tree lined roads I travel everyday . However, in actual use, I had to keep K Pop off because with K pop on, the V1 caught every BSM and drove me batty. Constant K falses are not only annoying but can lead to the chicken little affect which may cause you to ignore a real threat.
 
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So over the weekend I drove over a couple hundred miles out to York PA and home in NJ. Along the way I saw quite a few LEOs and I got great range and detection. However, I saw quite a few of those big traffic signs that were making my unit light up like crazy. I have my R3 set at k narrow, k filter on running city mode.

On the way home I turned on the TSF where it was off on the way there. The same signs were still popping through. What gives?

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I think we need to test more in depth,with Ka narrow vs Wide.
 

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So over the weekend I drove over a couple hundred miles out to York PA and home in NJ. Along the way I saw quite a few LEOs and I got great range and detection. However, I saw quite a few of those big traffic signs that were making my unit light up like crazy. I have my R3 set at k narrow, k filter on running city mode.

On the way home I turned on the TSF where it was off on the way there. The same signs were still popping through. What gives?

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TSF is designed to filter traffic sensors. The delay sometimes helps with other false alerts. The freeway signs aren't sensors.

If you drive that route regularly use the lockouts on the signs.
 

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TSF is designed to filter traffic sensors. The delay sometimes helps with other false alerts. The freeway signs aren't sensors.

If you drive that route regularly use the lockouts on the signs.
Ahh I guess I'm confused as to what a traffic sensor actually is then.

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Ahh I guess I'm confused as to what a traffic sensor actually is then.
They're K band sensors along the sides of some highways specifically designed to measure traffic flow. They're sometimes used to display traffic information in cell phone mapping apps, for example. They usually send out ~half second blasts of K band and there's a bunch of them dotting the side of the freeway so it can measure how things look all along the road.

Here's some more info:

https://youtu.be/3YhkE8tM0X4
 

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They're K band sensors along the sides of some highways specifically designed to measure traffic flow. They're sometimes used to display traffic information in cell phone mapping apps, for example. They usually send out ~half second blasts of K band and there's a bunch of them dotting the side of the freeway so it can measure how things look all along the road.

Here's some more info:

https://youtu.be/3YhkE8tM0X4
Thanks for the super quick response and video. So is it safe assume that it's OK to run this on all the time but it will delay actual k band to pop through because it's waiting longer to see if it was a short burst vs a longer burst?
 

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Thanks for the super quick response and video. So is it safe assume that it's OK to run this on all the time but it will delay actual k band to pop through because it's waiting longer to see if it was a short burst vs a longer burst?
You could, but it's generally preferred not to run it unless you need it because it will negatively impact reactivity and range.

https://www.rdforum.org/showthread.php?t=44374

If you have traffic sensors, turn it on. If not, best to leave it off. Curiously the R series detectors can filter out many traffic sensors without needing TSR which is unusual. Some older detectors needed the filter because they didn't have any sort of BSM filter and that was the next best thing. Things are different with newer detectors with separate BSM filters.
 

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I think we need to test more in depth,with Ka narrow vs Wide.
I noticed that below one of his charts from testing that HC concluded there was some range increase with Ka Narrow. Since most of his videos are on the interstates, I will switch to Ka Narrow and see if it makes a difference for my commute.
 

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You could, but it's generally preferred not to run it unless you need it because it will negatively impact reactivity and range.

https://www.rdforum.org/showthread.php?t=44374

If you have traffic sensors, turn it on. If not, best to leave it off. Curiously the R series detectors can filter out many traffic sensors without needing TSR which is unusual. Some older detectors needed the filter because they didn't have any sort of BSM filter and that was the next best thing. Things are different with newer detectors with separate BSM filters.
That's what I figured. I never really think I come across any on my daily drives and so far the R3 has been as quiet, if not quieter, than my XP. Turning it off.
 

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We've seen in a couple-few tests that on the R3's, Ka range takes a slight hit when GPS is on as compared to R1's range. My test request would be: prove this right or wrong. I know the test differences aren't too substantial, but if we're going to be blasting on an interstate and/or in an area where there's no need for GPS - it would be cool to definitely know whether turning the R3's GPS off would help eek out a bit more range.

Referenced tests:
https://www.rdforum.org/showthread.php?t=63167
https://www.rdforum.org/showthread.php?t=63150
https://www.rdforum.org/showthread.php?t=62688
 

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We've seen in a couple-few tests that on the R3's, Ka range takes a slight hit when GPS is on as compared to R1's range. My test request would be: prove this right or wrong. I know the test differences aren't too substantial, but if we're going to be blasting on an interstate and/or in an area where there's no need for GPS - it would be cool to definitely know whether turning the R3's GPS off would help eek out a bit more range.

Referenced tests:
https://www.rdforum.org/showthread.php?t=63167
https://www.rdforum.org/showthread.php?t=63150
https://www.rdforum.org/showthread.php?t=62688
So, you aren't differentiating the R1 from the R3, rather you treat it as a GPS vs No GPS issue.
 

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