R3, Redline, RPSE US20, Stinger VIP, Max360, V1, XP, etc. (33.8, 34.7, & 35.5) 4-9-17

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Update: Now that the Uniden R3 has been announced (which was the real reason for this test), I've added the R3 results here.

This weekend I went out to test some RD's with [MENTION=11324]meismyname[/MENTION]. (Thank you for your help!) I wanted to test different things like the RPSE running US20, the American Radar AR-9970BT, the Max360 with newer firmware, and so on. I used the same red barn course that I've used in previous tests. Let's take a look at the results with a few notes about what I saw.

First up we ran 34.7. Just a couple detectors to get a quick feel for things.

34.7 results.png


At first we noticed the RPSE doing kind of poorly and then I realized I had the Ka Filter On so I disabled it and reran and got better performance out of it.

Every detector was otherwise set up with RDR off, 2/5/8, etc.

Next we did 33.8.

33.8 results.png


Something strange was happening on 33.8 and I was getting detections wayyyy past the red barn which is the usual end of the course (around 2600 feet). Almost every detector was alerting before I even got to the barn which was surprisingly. I'm not exactly sure why this was the case.

The Redline did the best, getting the longest range and holding the signal the entire time. A few other detectors managed crazy long range detections too, but they dropped it as I got closer to the barn before reacquiring. (There was a hill at that ~5500 foot mark that we were on top of that lets you see over some of the terrain and possibly pick up the radar gun.) The V1 and Max360 did a good job of alerting up there. (I know my 360 has historically been kind of weak, especially when it was tested in previous tests shortly after it was initially released, and I'm curious how much the newer firmwares have improved performance over what I saw before.)

I also threw in some other detectors like the Whistler CR93 and the American Radar AR-9970BT. That American Radar was awful (my full impressions of the detector here). It managed to get C/Owned, not alerting until I was about 400 feet away, after the Bee III had already acquired my speed. Only then would it go off full tilt. No initial weak alert with a gradual rampup. Just full strength alert. I was running it in highway mode with no filters enabled. I backed up and tried again and then it went off at a distance which was good. I backed up and tried yet again and again got C/Owned a second time.

Here's a video so you can check it out for yourself. Plus you'll get a feel for the full length of the course, as well as my testing setup.


Here's a few key moments in the video:
1:23: Start of normal course from red barn
2:00: Getting C/Owned the first time
3:04: Alerting at a distance
4:15: Getting C/Owned the second time

by the way, a huge shoutout to [MENTION=8778]mswlogo[/MENTION] for adding a feature into V1Driver that lets you mark a location (ie. where the radar gun is located) and then give you a realtime distance as to how far away you are from that source. I used that for testing and it was supremely helpful!

The last run on 33.8 was with the Stinger VIP, but the Bee III's antenna fell off the dash during the test run so we weren't able to get a good run with the Stinger on 33.8. However, we had it set up already to start testing on 35.5 which was next.

On 35.5 we started getting standard alert distances again, alerting at the red barn or just after.

35.5 results.png


Stinger took the gold on 35.5. I did a run with it mounted on my grill and another on my dash behind the windshield and it did a bit better out on my grill.

The RPSE also had one surprisingly bad run and so we did a second. It did better, but was still a bit below where I was expecting.

With just a few exceptions, we only did one run per detector for the sake of time. Traffic was light and it's possible that that had an impact. In times when I did additional runs for one reason or another, you'll see those listed in the results above. I'm sure with more testing, more test runs, more copies of detectors, different courses and so on, we'll have a better idea of the big picture. This is just one test. You guys know the drill. ;)

So yeah, just wanted to share the results of that testing with you guys.

A big thanks to everyone who contributed gear! Here's where everything came from:

Redline: [MENTION=9768]Brainstorm69[/MENTION]
RPSE & XP: [MENTION=394]Hügel66[/MENTION]
V1 & Max360: [MENTION=2404]Vortex[/MENTION]
DFR7: [MENTION=3989]BestRadarDetectors[/MENTION]
Stinger VIP: Stinger HQ
CR93: Mike B
AR-9970BT: American Radar
 

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Re: Redline, RPSE US20, Stinger VIP, Max360, V1, XP, etc. (33.8, 34.7, & 35.5) 4-9-20

No way, that's an awesome feature!!!!! Way cheaper option than the distance counter. Might have to give that a try :)

Awesome testing, thanks for sharing :D
 

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Re: Redline, RPSE US20, Stinger VIP, Max360, V1, XP, etc. (33.8, 34.7, & 35.5) 4-9-20

No 9200Bt ? :p
 

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Re: Redline, RPSE US20, Stinger VIP, Max360, V1, XP, etc. (33.8, 34.7, & 35.5) 4-9-20

No way, that's an awesome feature!!!!! Way cheaper option than the distance counter. Might have to give that a try :)

Awesome testing, thanks for sharing :D
Yeah I think I'm liking it better overall than the OBD-II distance counter. No having to reset each time or messing up because you forget to do it (I did that a bunch, haha), it works in both directions automatically, and so on.

The only issues are that it updates just once a second and sometimes you need a little more precision than that though that's rare, initially marking the radar gun as a source might be a little off due to GPS drift, it measures distance as the crow flies instead of distance driven which can be an issue if you have curves or turns in your course, etc. However, for relatively straight test courses, it's amazing. I love that it works even if you're not using a V1 too!

- - - Updated - - -

No 9200Bt ? :p
haha I thought about it but it was one of the detectors that I decided not to run (there were others too) for the sake of brevity and getting to the RDD testing.
 

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Re: Redline, RPSE US20, Stinger VIP, Max360, V1, XP, etc. (33.8, 34.7, & 35.5) 4-9-20

The RPSE got smacked by DFR7. How bad does that Ka filter affect the RPSE?
 

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Re: Redline, RPSE US20, Stinger VIP, Max360, V1, XP, etc. (33.8, 34.7, & 35.5) 4-9-20

The RPSE got smacked by DFR7. How bad does that Ka filter affect the RPSE?
It looks like the filter affects range a lot and is not minimal as previously reported.
 

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Re: Redline, RPSE US20, Stinger VIP, Max360, V1, XP, etc. (33.8, 34.7, & 35.5) 4-9-20

It looks like the filter affects range a lot and is not minimal as previously reported.
Potentially, yes, but I think more testing is in order. Take a look at the DFR7 testing on 33.8, for example. On one run it managed a ~5000 foot detection earlier on but on a second pass it couldn't pick that up again. Things can vary from run to run for reasons other than a settings change alone.

So yeah it's totally possible (and I think likely) that the filter was the reason for the range differences. However, I think more testing would be helpful before making any definitive conclusions.
 

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Re: Redline, RPSE US20, Stinger VIP, Max360, V1, XP, etc. (33.8, 34.7, & 35.5) 4-9-20

Were is the result for DFR7 on 34.7 ?

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Re: Redline, RPSE US20, Stinger VIP, Max360, V1, XP, etc. (33.8, 34.7, & 35.5) 4-9-20

Thanks for all the good info!

You not have time to test the 360 on 35.5?
 

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Re: Redline, RPSE US20, Stinger VIP, Max360, V1, XP, etc. (33.8, 34.7, & 35.5) 4-9-20

Were is the result for DFR7 on 34.7 ?
Thanks for all the good info!

You not have time to test the 360 on 35.5?
Sorry we didn't test every detector on every band. Woulda been great if we had the time to do so though. :)
 

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Re: Redline, RPSE US20, Stinger VIP, Max360, V1, XP, etc. (33.8, 34.7, & 35.5) 4-9-20

Sorry we didn't test every detector on every band. Woulda been great if we had the time to do so though. :)
Completely understand. Thanks again!
 

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Re: Redline, RPSE US20, Stinger VIP, Max360, V1, XP, etc. (33.8, 34.7, & 35.5) 4-9-20

The V1 is 3.8945, correct?
 

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Re: Redline, RPSE US20, Stinger VIP, Max360, V1, XP, etc. (33.8, 34.7, & 35.5) 4-9-20

The V1 is 3.8945, correct?
You got it
 

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Re: Redline, RPSE US20, Stinger VIP, Max360, V1, XP, etc. (33.8, 34.7, & 35.5) 4-9-20

Another thanks for testing the Stinger on grill vs. WS. Interesting to see it really DID make a difference.
 

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Re: Redline, RPSE US20, Stinger VIP, Max360, V1, XP, etc. (33.8, 34.7, & 35.5) 4-9-20

Another thanks for testing the Stinger on grill vs. WS. Interesting to see it really DID make a difference.
I would caution you against using this test as conclusive evidence for that one. If you watch the video, our windshield testing had the least professional setup ever, and we only did one run of each. If you ask me, further testing would be required to draw firm conclusions.
 

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Re: Redline, RPSE US20, Stinger VIP, Max360, V1, XP, etc. (33.8, 34.7, & 35.5) 4-9-20

Excellent point... it IS a small sample set!

I have yet to install my secondhand Stinger kit, but at the moment, windshield mounting space is limited and I don't want to visor-mount anything.

I have a front-of-car spot picked out but my lack of free time is sort of a problem.

I smell FUTURE TEST! Do it do it do it
 
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Re: Redline, RPSE US20, Stinger VIP, Max360, V1, XP, etc. (33.8, 34.7, & 35.5) 4-9-20

Alrighty, time to update this thread. :) The real reason I went out to do this testing was to see how the R3 performed. Here's the results with the R3 included. I generally only did one run per detector since we were pressed for time and were also doing RDD testing this day and I wish we had more time to run repeated runs once I saw the degree of run-to-run variance with the detectors where I did do multiple runs.

34.7:

R3 34.7 Results.png


We started with 34.7. The R3 was about on par with the Redline. The RPSE managed to get the longest detection on 34.7 with the Ka Filter disabled.

33.8:

R3 33.8 Results.png


33.8 I wanted to focus on more since this is what I see most of. The Redline managed to do the best getting both the longest detection as well as holding the signal the whole time and not dropping it (I'm not sure how much the latch time played into things). Detection distances were a couple hundred feet apart from the R3 but all around the top of a hill that we drove up on the far end of the course. The DFR7 managed to get a long range detection on one pass but not on a second pass. Seeing results like this make me question how consistent the other detectors would be from run to run.

35.5:

R3 35.5 Results.png


On 35.5, the longest detection of the day by just a few feet went to the Stinger attached out on the grill. Otherwise the R3 managed the longest detection of all the detectors on the WS, including the Stinger. The RPSE had a bizarrely strange first run so we reran it and it performed better the second time.


So yeah, I don't really find the results conclusive, especially because I only ran detectors once and the times when I saw a strange results like an unexpectedly poor detection from a detector, I reran it and got a pretty different result. It kind of reminds me of how the Redline generally manages to outrange other detectors like the V1 and Max, but sometimes you'll see the opposite. One example is this test where the longest 33.8 detection was from a Max360 and the longest 34.7 detection was from a V1... but only from 1 run. Otherwise the M3's consistently sat on top of the charts. It these general overall trends that I find more meaningful than any one run.. which is why I really wish now I did a bunch of runs and averaged out the results to account for any potential impacts due to traffic, fringe detections, and so on.

Anyway, as it sits, both the Redline and the R3 did very well which makes sense. Sometimes the Redline had the edge, sometimes the R3. Honestly I was hoping for bigger separation between detectors, but I think they're good datapoints to consider alongside all the other tests on other courses that have been done as well.
 

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Great testing! I guess I should be proud that my Redline managed to do pretty well against the R3, all things considered...lol We frequently had to do quite a bit of testing to determine what we were going have to do to be able to get some separation between the R3 and Redline. That's why I think we are seeing testing where there isn't much difference in some cases. When @Jag42 and I ran into those situations, we'd do something else to try and get separation. Angle the gun, go to a differnt course, Go to a differnt part of the course and angle the gun. If a tester doesn't have the time to do that, then they're going to get a fair amount of cases where isn't separation. But I am convinced that extra sensitivity is there. And there will be cases in testing (and the real world) where it will show.

[Note: I was in the middle of editing my post when Vortex posted]
 
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Re: R3, Redline, RPSE US20, Stinger VIP, Max360, V1, XP, etc (33.8, 34.7, & 35.5)4-9-

Great testing! I guess I should be proud that my Redline managed to do pretty well against the R3, all things considered...lol We frequently had to do quite a bit of testing to determine what we were going have to do to be able to get some separation between the R3 and Redline. That's why I think we are seeing testing where there isn't much difference. But I am convinced that extra sensitivity is there. And there will be cases in the real world where it will show.
Yeah definitely. Your RL did great yet again. :D I know you had to adjust the radar gun a bit in some tests to weaken the radar signal since every detector was maxing out your course. I think it's definitely good to always keep in mind that there's situations where even a more sensitive detector won't translate to longer range. I know it gets brought up a lot, but it's easy to forget. :)
 

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Yeah definitely. Your RL did great yet again. :D I know you had to adjust the radar gun a bit in some tests to weaken the radar signal since every detector was maxing out your course. I think it's definitely good to always keep in mind that there's situations where even a more sensitive detector won't translate to longer range. I know it gets brought up a lot, but it's easy to forget. :)
Absolutely. I think the key question is: where is the point where the incremental sensitivity causes more problems (falsing, detecting radar that isn't really a threat to you) than useful range. I don't think we are there yet with the R3, but we may be getting close.
 
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