TXCTG - Waco Pioneer Pkwy Ka 33.8 and Ka 34.7 Testing 02-05-2017

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[HR][/HR]INTRO
@Jag42 and I have several detectors that we either haven’t tested at all with (American Radar AR-9970BT and Rad 450), or still haven’t tested a ton with (Cobra 9200BT, Uniden DFR6, Escort Max 360, V1). We also have several of the usual detectors, too (see below). We headed to Waco on Super Bowl Sunday to test at the Pioneer Parkway Course, which is probably becoming familiar to most of you. We had a couple of detectors on loan - thanks @gbriggs82 and @Hügel66

[HR][/HR]THE DETECTORS

American Radar AR-9970BT - (BS69)
Cobra 9200BT - (Jag 42)
Cobra Rad 450 - (gbriggs82)
Uniden DFR6 - K Filter On, Ka Filter Off (Jag24) [EDIT: Jag42 just realized that we had Ka Filter "on" during testing. So all of the results below for the DFR6 were with with Ka filter "on" not "off." Sorry about that! :(]
Uniden LRD950 #2 - K Filter On (BS69)
Uniden LRD950 #1 - K Filter On (BS69)
Radenso Pro SE (Yellow Display) - (Jag42)
Radenso XP - 2/5/6/8, BSM Filter On (Jag42)
Radenso XP - 2/5/8, BSM Filter On (BS69)
Escort Max 360 - TSR Off (BS69)
Redline - 2/5/6/8 TSR On (Jag42)
Redline - 2/5/8 TSR On (Hugel66)
Redline - 2/5/8 TSR On (BS69)
Magnum WB - 2/5/6/8 TSR On (Jag 42)
Magnum WB - 2/5/8 TSR On (BS69)
Magnum PK - 2/5/8 TSR On (BS69)
RX-65 (M4) - USA Mode, TSR On (BS69)
V1 - Vortex Sweeps (BS69)

[HR][/HR]COURSE

While many of you may be familiar with the course, here is a Google Maps overhead view. It’s 2.48 miles long, straight and flat, and doesn’t have a lot of trees or structures to get in the way. [Edit: Added a couple of pics I made from Google maps of where the radar source was placed and how the radar was aimed on the course. Also added a course run video.]

Waco Pioneer Pkwy Course.jpg


Pioneer Pkwy Source.JPG


Pioneer Pkwy Direction.JPG


[video=youtube;Gxh9AUvUMt0]

[HR][/HR]RESULTS 33.8 (Radar gun angled at ~35 degrees across the road)

TXCTG Waco Pioneer 33.8 Results Table by Detector 02-05-2017.jpg


TXCTG Waco Pioneer 33.8 Results Table Ranked 02-05-2017.jpg


TXCTG Waco Pioneer 33.8 Results Graph 02-05-2017.jpg



Ka 33.8 Commentary

  • First table is sorted by detector so you can quickly zero in on a specific detector if you so desire
  • Second table is ranked ordered from first to last with range, delta from the leader and percentage of the leader
  • Graph is ranked ordered from first to last with range, delta from the leader and percentage of the leader
  • All tables and graphs are color coded by detector
  • The numbers on the graphs (but not the charts) are rounded to the nearest tenth of a mile (for readability)
  • I haven’t actually looked at the data very hard yet to make a lot of conclusions, but a few things will likely stick out at you

[HR][/HR]RESULTS 34.7 (Radar gun angled at ~35 degrees across the road)

TXCTG Waco Pioneer 34.7 Results Table by Detector 02-05-2017.jpg


TXCTG Waco Pioneer 34.7 Results Table Ranked 02-05-2017.jpg


TXCTG Waco Pioneer 34.7 Results Graph 02-05-2017.jpg



Ka 34.7 Results / Commentary

  • First table is sorted by detector so you can quickly zero in on a specific detector if you so desire
  • Second table is ranked ordered from first to last with range, delta from the leader and percentage of the leader
  • Graph is ranked ordered from first to last with range, delta from the leader and percentage of the leader
  • All tables and graphs are color coded by detector
  • The numbers on the graphs (but not the charts) are rounded to the nearest tenth of a mile (for readability)
  • I haven’t actually looked at the data very hard yet to make a lot of conclusions, but a few things will likely stick out at you

[HR][/HR]FINAL THOUGHTS

Another long, but good, day of testing. We started at 11:00ish and finished after 6:00. No interruptions from nosy neighbors (although we had a group of kids sitting on a fence watching us for a while).

Traffic ebbed and flowed a bit through the afternoon. Sometime pretty light and sometimes more heavy. Could have contributed to some variability we saw.

It was great to test some new detectors. Quite a few folks wanted to see some results from the American Radar combo (radar/dashcam) unit. Unfortunately, it appears to be a jack of all trades, but master of none so far. The Rad 450 also turned in a fairly weak performance. And the 9200BT seemed a bit variable in its results.

Redlines pretty much did their usual.

The Magnums (especially mine), seemed to suffer from some unexpected variability. Again, thinking that we need to do a Magnum shootout sometime soon to see if mine and Jag42’s Magnums are representative, or lacking.

The Radenso Pro SE did majorly good on 34.7. But fell off a bit on 33.8.

The XPs did pretty middle of the road on both 33.8 and 34.7.

My Max 360 seems to be pretty good on 33.8. 34.7 showed some variability.

My V1 was sort of middle of the pack on 33.8, which was somewhat surprising given its reputation on that band. Maybe I should have done a factory reset and re-pushed the sweeps. But it did catch a major early whiff on 34.7 to take the crown. It was quiet after the initial alert, but it did get it.

My Unidens pretty much did their usual. Pretty well on 34.7 and not too good on 33.8. The DFR6 managed to do what I would call appreciably better on 33.8 than my LRD950s.

I will end with my usual admonishment: This is just one test. You need to look at various tests, by various people, at various times, on various courses to try to get to a complete picture of a detector. So make sure to do your research, look at as many tests as you can, and find out as much information as you can.
 
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It was lots of fun ! We have some new exciting stuff coming up. It will be a very busy year. I drove 187 miles on this course and 502 miles total. Br69 and i are pretty much used to all the driving. We swap cars every test from racking up the miles.Time really does fly ! Thanks for everyone's support and all the Rd loaners.


KILL Zones were around 1,100 ft.
 
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The PK magnum held its ground against the WB ones in this test. Currently running a packaged LNA mag so that's good to see.

Thank-you for all the testing you guys have done!
 

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Thanks for yall's hard work. I'm coming to at least 1 event this year! Too busy riding trains lately!
 

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[HR][/HR]INTRO
@Jag42 and I have several detectors that we either haven’t tested at all with (American Radar AR-9970BT and Rad 450), or still haven’t tested a ton with (Cobra 9200BT, Uniden DFR6, Escort Max 360, V1). We also have several of the usual detectors, too (see below). We headed to Waco on Super Bowl Sunday to test at the Pioneer Parkway Course, which is probably becoming familiar to most of you. We had a couple of detectors on loan - thanks @gbriggs82 and @Hügel66

[HR][/HR]THE DETECTORS

American Radar AR-9970BT - (BS69)
Cobra 9200BT - (Jag 42)
Cobra Rad 450 - (gbriggs82)
Uniden DFR6 - K Filter On, Ka Filter Off (Jag24)
Uniden LRD950 #2 - K Filter On (BS69)
Uniden LRD950 #1 - K Filter On (BS69)
Radenso Pro SE (Yellow Display) - (Jag42)
Radenso XP - 2/5/6/8, BSM Filter On (Jag42)
Radenso XP - 2/5/8, BSM Filter On (BS69)
Escort Max 360 - TSR Off (BS69)
Redline - 2/5/6/8 TSR On (Jag42)
Redline - 2/5/8 TSR On (Hugel66)
Redline - 2/5/8 TSR On (BS69)
Magnum WB - 2/5/6/8 TSR On (Jag 42)
Magnum WB - 2/5/8 TSR On (BS69)
Magnum PK - 2/5/8 TSR On (BS69)
RX-65 (M4) - USA Mode, TSR On (BS69)
V1 - Vortex Sweeps (BS69)

[HR][/HR]COURSE

While many of you may be familiar with the course, here is a Google Maps overhead view. It’s 2.48 miles long, straight and flat, and doesn’t have a lot of trees or structures to get in the way.

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[HR][/HR]RESULTS 33.8 (Radar gun angled at ~35 degrees across the road)

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Ka 33.8 Commentary

  • First table is sorted by detector so you can quickly zero in on a specific detector if you so desire
  • Second table is ranked ordered from first to last with range, delta from the leader and percentage of the leader
  • Graph is ranked ordered from first to last with range, delta from the leader and percentage of the leader
  • All tables and graphs are color coded by detector
  • I haven’t actually looked at the data very hard yet to make a lot of conclusions, but a few things will likely stick out at you

[HR][/HR]RESULTS 34.7 (Radar gun angled at ~35 degrees across the road)

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Ka 34.7 Results / Commentary

  • First table is sorted by detector so you can quickly zero in on a specific detector if you so desire
  • Second table is ranked ordered from first to last with range, delta from the leader and percentage of the leader
  • Graph is ranked ordered from first to last with range, delta from the leader and percentage of the leader
  • All tables and graphs are color coded by detector
  • I haven’t actually looked at the data very hard yet to make a lot of conclusions, but a few things will likely stick out at you

[HR][/HR]FINAL THOUGHTS

Another long, but good, day of testing. We started at 11:00ish and finished after 6:00. No interruptions from nosy neighbors (although we had a group of kids sitting on a fence watching us for a while).

Traffic ebbed and flowed a bit through the afternoon. Sometime pretty light and sometimes more heavy. Could have contributed to some variability we saw.

It was great to test some new detectors. Quite a few folks wanted to see some results from the American Radar combo (radar/dashcam) unit. Unfortunately, it appears to be a jack of all trades, but master of none so far. The Rad 450 also turned in a fairly weak performance. And the 9200BT seemed a bit variable in its results.

Redlines pretty much did their usual.

The Magnums (especially mine, seemed to suffer from some unexpected variability. Again, thinking that we need to do a Magnum shootout sometime soon to see if mine and Jag42’s Magnums are representative, or lacking.

The Radenso Pro SE did majorly good on 34.7. But fell off a bit on 33.8.

The XPs did pretty middle of the road on both 33.8 and 34.7.

My Max 360 seems to be pretty good on 33.8. 34.7 showed some variability.

My V1 was sort of middle of the pack on 33.8, which was somewhat surprising given its reputation on that band. Maybe I should have done a factory reset and re-pushed the sweeps. But it did catch a major early whiff on 34.7 to take the crown. It was quiet after the initial alert, but it did get it.

My Unidens pretty much did their usual. Pretty well on 34.7 and not too good on 33.8. The DFR6 managed to do what I would call appreciably better on 33.8 than my LRD950s.

I will end with my usual admonishment: This is just one test. You need to look at various tests, by various people, at various times, on various courses to try to get to a complete picture of a detector. So make sure to do your research, look at as many tests as you can, and find out as much information as you can.
Much thanks. Good stuff.
 

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WOW great work! That's a LOT of testing, results, and data!

Whew, okay so let's take a look... :)

33.8:

Great long range detection by the 360, winning the top spot, though it didn't always do that. The DSP9200BT managed a long range detection too, but it also had some variability as well. I wonder if the Escort DSP in the Max's that gave more variability in testing is getting passed to the 9200BT. That said, it was reaching up to M3/RPSE territory which is great. I want to give the Cobra credit for that longer range detection, but it's not consistently there.

Solid showing by the Redline and interesting to see the PK Magnum outgunning the WB one. Even the weakest M3 was still on par with an RPSE or V1.

The RPSE didn't do as well as I thought it would. I'd like to see it closer to the upper tier M3's, but this is just one test, one detector, and one band, and I know it's done better before.

The XP was below the RPSE. It managed some V1-level detections, but it had some below there as well. This makes sense. Great filtering and quietness with capable but not outstanding performance. It's facing some stiff competition here.

The RAD450 and American Radar turned in abysmal results, falling below the Unidens which are known to be weak on 33.8.

34.7:

V1 snags the win on 34.7 but has two lower runs which is a bit odd.

Redline solidly and consistently owning the top of the pack as expected. That's what it does. :)

RPSE sitting right up at the top too which is more of what I'd expect from it.

I'd expect the Unidens to be doing well since it's 34.7 and while it doesn't outgun the Redline, it still holds its own. Definitely better than 33.8.

The Magnum results are a bit odd on this one too. I know there was a test done a while back with a buuunch of M3's. [MENTION=116]OpenRoad[/MENTION] did one with loads of Redlines and they were very consistent. Another test showed the same. Was there one with a bunch of Redlines and Magnums too?

The DSP9200BT, it's able to turn in some respectable runs here yet again. On 34.7, its results look very reminiscent of what the Max360 turned in. Interesting... Cobra is stepping up their game with the 9200.

The RAD450 is a different story though. Sub-M4 performance. Same thing with the American Radar.



So the RAD450 and American Radar, no bueno on those guys.

Cobra, good job with the DSP9200BT there. It's not a good option if you also want to run ALP's, but given the performance that it's offering and the fact that people are reporting decent BSM filtering, not to mention it can be had nice and cheap on Amazon nowadays (it retailed initially at $400 and is showing up now at $122), that's an interesting option there. Definitely looking to be a better pick than the RAD450 in terms of performance.

I'm curious about what we saw with the Magnums there. Anyone got links to other tests done with a bunch of Magnums to see consistency across different samples?
 

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Magnums seem to have variance all over. [MENTION=51]hiddencam[/MENTION] WB HOT Magnum could beat the Redlines on this course. [MENTION=323]PointerCone[/MENTION] still has not sent us Nelly either. The WB HOT mags seem to be in sync with the RL. A Magnum shoot out is needed by far. I would like to see [MENTION=51]hiddencam[/MENTION] and [MENTION=323]PointerCone[/MENTION] to send us both theirs,for comparison. We need to see a HOT pkg Magnum too. We did a on axis 34.7 stew test,XP,RL,Mag,RX65, and others alerted at over 12,000 ft. easily (no seperation) then we aimed it 35 degrees.

[MENTION=9768]Brainstorm69[/MENTION] Thanks for the awesome presentstion ! I know your super busy with work. I'm free to test Sunday again.. ha ha
 
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I'm curious about what we saw with the Magnums there.
I've been noticing that on the past few tests too and have been scratching my head on that.

It doesn't make sense that the WB Redlines are always at, or near, the top of the heap, yet their Bel WB brethren are pretty consistently below the Escorts and even the packaged LNA Magnums.

It's actually a little disappointing. Maybe the particular samples?
 
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I've been noticing that on the past few tests too and have been scratching my head on that.

It doesn't make sense that the WB Redlines are always at, or near, the top of the heap, yet their Bel WB brethren are pretty consistently below the Escorts and even the packaged LNA Magnums.

It's actually a little disappointing. Maybe the particular samples?
My WB Magnum does superb in the real world (By my videos) but it does not show up in testing. Obviously the Mags are toned down at the plant. Maybe [MENTION=3761]Kasher1979[/MENTION] can chime in. He seems to have had *HOT* Magnums go out,like Hiddencams. My theory is the Magnums don't like the Stalker ATR guns. I am working on getting a Stalker II.


My newest RL tested was [MENTION=848]colloyd00[/MENTION] Garage sale purchase. He sent it to Escort for some work. It did like a Redline would.
 
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I'm curious about what we saw with the Magnums there. Anyone got links to other tests done with a bunch of Magnums to see consistency across different samples?
I've been noticing that on the past few tests too and have been scratching my head on that.

It doesn't make sense that the WB Redlines are always at, or near, the top of the heap, yet their Bel WB brethren are pretty consistently below the Escorts and even the packaged LNA Magnums.

It's actually a little disappointing. Maybe the particular samples?

Yeah, we've seen it some before, but this test seemed to highlight it. I'm not sure whether my Magnums just aren't quite up to snuff, or what. But even @Jag42 Magnum showed some variability. The only Magnum that we have tested that seemed to keep up with the Redline consistently on Ka was @hiddencam's. And that was only one testing event, but was across all 3 Ka bands as I recall. I know @OpenRoad did test a bunch of Redlines that were very consistent, and in general, the Redline has been very consistent for us (mine, Hugel66's, and now Jag42's). I think it may be time to ask for a few members to send their Mags in for a shootout and see if the variability we are seeing is an anomaly, or whether it actually is par for the course with Magnums. Of course, we did have the guns angled pretty hard (~35*), so maybe that affected the results (although the Redlines were able to power through it). Also, at the end of the testing, I ran both my Mags together (one high on the WS and one low) for a couple of runs since they had done kinda poorly for M3s. There was basically no traffic at that time (getting dark and the Super Bowl on). The first run with the PK up high and the WB down low, I got about 2 miles out of the PK, and 1.5 out of the WB. The second run I changed positions, WB up high and PK down low and got about 2.3 out of the WB and 1.9 out of the PK. I didn't include these results in the data above just because I did them informally just by myself and couldn't record the actual numbers. I just tried to remember them grossly, about where they were.

Anyway, I don't recall any test where a bunch of Mags have been tested together. So I think it would be interesting to do that and see what happens.
 
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Superb job again! We appreciate the hard work and time you guys put into these tests more than you know. They are very helpful and useful to us.
 

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I think it may be time to ask for a few members to send their Mags in for a shootout and see if the variability we are seeing is an anomaly, or whether it actually is par for the course with Magnums.
Let me know when/if you want to do this test - I'll be willing to send mine into the fray...unless I am in need of it for my treks through Ontario, Washington DC and Virginia...
 
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Yea to be honest I don't know why the magnums don't do as well as the Redline. That particular Magnum I sold HC is the ONLY magnum that I have seen that really performs that well. I went though A LOT of magnums to too find a hot one like that. The only WS unit I have personally witnessed that might edge out his Magnum would be my Redline, and even then it would be super close. HC has a killer Magnum for sure.
 

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Over all the cobra 9200 did well for a detector with no LNA and a street price under $100. I would dar to say it has taken the spot from the unidens as best for the price.
 

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