Best RD detection for MRCD-MRCT

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  1. ScorpionJ

    ScorpionJ Pro Intermediate User

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    Share your experience which RD windshield,custom mount,without or with DDM horn has the best detection in this low power K band radar.

    There are many countries in Europe that has this type of radar threat.
     
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    In terms of MRCD detection only, they are all the same. I've tested and owned the 9500ci International, Redline International, Net Radar MRCD and Stinger VIP. Its really the other features that separate these detectors from each other.
     
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    Stinger VIP
    This is definitely my favorite, if there is enough budget available. It is very sensitive on MRCD frequency, but also on Ka-Band. Another big advantage is the independence on the position of the antenna. You can place it 45° and get the best MRCD detection, but placing it horizontal or vertical gives you a good compromise between MRCD and Multanova.
    However the bugs in the software are absolutely unnecessary in such an expensive device. They will need still a few years to get to the stable level as DSI was, when it was discontinued.

    NetRadar MRCD
    This is really a surprise for the money you are paying. It offers decent range on MRCD and is also compatible with ALP. Falses are non existent so far.
    Big disadvantage is the standalone antenna. So it is just capable of MRCD, which means that you need another antenna for K and Ka Band.
    The antenna is also not available to Europe and you are forced to use the ALP settings of North America.

    Escort Redline
    The slogan king of range in terms of Ka Band is definitely also applicable for MRCD. Place this thing on the wind shield at the height of the rear view mirror and detection is very nice. The only drawback is the missing GPS, so there is no GPS database and no GPS based false filtering.

    Shadow 5 or Shadow 6
    Detection is quite good on this antennas. The Shadow 6 which is also capable of MRCD and K Ka Band is really a good antenna. I did not test this antennas by myself, but so far the results look very promising.
    The origin of Shadow Stealth is there biggest advantage AND disadvantage. Coming from Spain, they are focused on the European market and very interested in developing an antenna which is capable of MRCD and is also sensitive on Ka Band. However software is sometimes buggy and electronic is a bit cheap.

    Escort 9500ci MTR and Beltronics STiR Plus Intl.
    Somehow this would not be my first choice. MRCD detection is solid, but you are faced with the usual problems of a horn antenna. Placing it horizontal gives you sufficient range for MRCD but it will get minimum on low powered Ka Band like Multanova 6F. Placing it vertical there is no detection of MRCD, but better range on Multanova.
    A horn extension as available from todoradares.com is highly recommended, but makes the install a bit tricky.
    Also GPS database is very bad and since ESCORT is not very interested in the European market, updates in the future are unsure.

    Escort MAX Intl.
    Technically it is advertised as MRCD capable, but detection is a real joke for this price. This is also applicable for low powered Ka Band.

    Future models
    MRCD was definitely a game changer in the RD industry, which separated the good ones from the bad. We will see a lot of new RDs in the future, with innovative antenna design and intelligent software filtering. I am sure that new players will come to the scene with new products, but also experienced companies like Genevo will introduce their device when they are ready.
    Stay tuned! :cool:
     
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    [MENTION=129]nano[/MENTION], I tested that theory of placing the Stinger VIP antenna @ 45°, it didn't provide any benefit for MRCD detection. It also sticks out like a sore thumb when you mount it on an angle like that lol
     
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    I just wish the Escort Live cord would work with the International (ProA) to allow location lockouts.
     
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    Yep, FW3.2.10 is over one year old, but is still the latest official FW for Europe.
     
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    Right, but as we are both aware, FW versions from Stinger varies a lot in performance and bugs lol....
     
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    Since I don't know the frequencies or processor capacities, will current detectors like the 950, DFR7 and the pro se be able to detect MRCD with a firmware update?
     
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    Unfortunately it appears to be more of a hardware issue then a software issue..
    MRCD can be detected by most available detectors if their K-Band sweeps are low enough, albeit the range is not desirable.
     
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    [MENTION=10450]Harold[/MENTION] what are your settings on the redline?
     
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    Only MRCT and Gatso T series on, all the other bands of (we only got MRCT and fixed Gatso T series).
     
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    Lucky , MRCD falses a lot

    Posted from my Pixel using the RDF mobile app!
     
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    Just one point to add - if you only encounter MRCD, and not MRCT as well, do not enable the MRCT band on the Redline, as it takes quite a lot of the Redline's CPU processing power to detect the MRCT algo, and can slow the RD down on other bands.
     
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    Correct running K band shaves off a second or 2 as well on MRCT detection after running thesame fixed positions.

    The Genevo 1M has 75-250m detection (depending on the level of reflection, lowest number is almost no reflective surfaces :() on passing MRCT.

    oncoming it is a different story, at least 450m, which is , even on going fast, more than sufficiant to slow down :)

    I have almost NO false alert, sometimes one short MR alert

    Check my YT channel!
     
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    Good to know. I always wondered about that. I was a huge fan of the Redline Original when I used it in the States.
     
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    Update:
    On Jenoptik MRCT (in use Holland) :
    I got 1300 m/ (4200 ft) today facing/towards the radar (mobile) and solid 150-200 m (500-650 ft) passing the radar. Note this is with MR narrow alert only enabled, no other bands enabled.
    MRCT fixed are harder to detect, due to optimized power output?
    Falses are very few if on MR mode only. FW version 05.09
    EX better on RT3, but these are not mobile as far as I know.
    check my YT channel.

    Update 1-2018:
    MRCT
    Detection very good and solid now, also on passing them.
    Tricky remains setups with no reflections or areas with a lot trees.
    Also some MRCT seem to fall out of MR narrow frequency causing late detection.
    MR wide is what I use now, no filter.
    BSM false : only on Outlander 2018 with EU fw 12.2017, possibly fixed with with 01.2018 update.

    RT3
    Gatso RT3 : not so good but depends on setup, high placed radar I get good results >500 yards, sometimes less than 50 yards, but always fixed radar.

    Update 3-2018:
    MRCT
    Running MRCT narrow again on advice Genevo, they want to remove the wide setting but I have not tested enough on out of frequency MRCT so asked them not to do so yet. With narrow/high filter have not had falses on MRCT on 2018 MDS outlander/quasquai/ch-r anymore. Problem is acknowledged by Genevo but hard to fix. FW 02.2018, distances improved.

    RT3
    Some falses on BMW 3 series front radar and detection improved.

    RT4
    Now in Belgium active, no detection!

    POI
    Rubbish :(

    Overal
    Very reliable :)

    Update 7-2018:
    MRCT
    Steady detection range, suggest MR wide + no filter
    False still on BSM Toyota, Mitsubishi, Nissan 2018 models.
    Genevo working on it. FW 01.06.2018

    RT3
    Still difficult, there is new FW coming out

    K
    False also on the mentioned cars and door openers.
    Very silent on other cars.

    Ka
    No encounters

    POI
    No improvement for my country. Genevo working on it.
     
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