YaV1 future

Discussion in 'Official YaV1 Support Section' started by francky06l, Aug 17, 2016.

  1. PointerCone

    PointerCone M3 Kng Advanced User Premium Member

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    Hasn't @mswlogo looked into this ( droid?) as the developer of V1Driver for iOS??
     
  2. midd

    midd PSL +15 Advanced User Premium Member

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    What will the donation go to? What needs to be kept afloat? Not attacking, just curious.

     
  3. mrmagloo

    mrmagloo Learning to Drive General User

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    I think that's absolutely a fair question for anyone asking for donations. Seeing Johnboy decided to go on his own, after being stonewalled here, and he's actually delivered some evidence of good progress. If anyone is deserving of donations, Imho, it would be him.

    I think the issue is, there really isn't enough room for 2 struggling app development projects fighting for limited available donors. Imho, it would be great to see both factions YaV1 and JBV1 come together and take the best parts of both, so we aren't faced with two projects scrambling for the same resources, and neither getting what they need to succeed. Just my .02 fwiw.
     
  4. DChiJEllis

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    I wasn't aware that donations were needed for this. Had that been requested, I'm sure there are enough YaV1 fans that we could have scraped together a little money to keep you afloat. I don't know what Francky ran into but he was able to continue development and the there was a request for donations to Francky after it was released. V1Driver was developed and placed in the iTunes Store for purchase. At least initially, I didn't have any issues with spending $9.99 for it. I would think that Johnnyboy is considering that pricing model as well.

    I know I sent my V1C LE to Fanta for help in development, with no expectations of getting it back.


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  5. mrmagloo

    mrmagloo Learning to Drive General User

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    After his last post, now might be a good time to ask for for it back.
     
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  6. johnboy00

    johnboy00 Geaux Tigers! Beginner User

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    I'd be more than happy to help work on YaV1, especially getting it to work with ESP Library v3. And you don't even need an LE dongle for that. If your app works with v3 library and the android dongle, it'll work with the LE dongle.
     
  7. mrmagloo

    mrmagloo Learning to Drive General User

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    Thank you very much John - What a guy! Hopefully, this time someone will respond to your overture. Seeing Francky hasn't been online for a while, I wonder if anyone has an email for him? Perhaps one of the Admins do? At this point, there is no reason why John shouldn't have access to the code - Imho, he has more than earned it.
     
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  8. G37X Jockey

    G37X Jockey Premium Member Intermediate User Premium Member

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    Try a PM to his profile. I think he's still listed here and if the email is still valid he'll respond.
     
  9. midd

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  10. johnboy00

    johnboy00 Geaux Tigers! Beginner User

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    I tried getting some help with data for demo mode for my app. I couldn't get any without committing to my app being free, so I had to get it from VR. Maybe they intend to create a new app soon that isn't free. Otherwise, I don't know why they would consider me or my app a competitor. It's not like the existence of my app would make YaV1 stop working.
     
  11. midd

    midd PSL +15 Advanced User Premium Member

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    who wanted your app to be free and who is "they"? IF YaV1 doesn't get the update soon, your app won't be competition, it will be the app the majority of users (at least here anyway) would use. Why would anyone feel threatened if you want money for your app and others are free? Doesn't make sense.
     
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  12. mrmagloo

    mrmagloo Learning to Drive General User

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    IMHO, had YaV1 been a paid app, it likely wouldn't be flapping in the wind now.
     
  13. midd

    midd PSL +15 Advanced User Premium Member

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    I don't know about that. I'm pretty sure the guy (Francky) who wrote YAV1 wasn't a big RD guy as much as he is a programmer.
     
  14. johnboy00

    johnboy00 Geaux Tigers! Beginner User

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    I think the point is that if he were making money off the app, he probably wouldn't have lost interest in it.
     
  15. tphank1

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    IIRC New family was the reason for handing over development...
     
  16. mrmagloo

    mrmagloo Learning to Drive General User

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    Yes, I recall the stresses of starting a new family and needing to pare back some of the distractions, often in some priority hierarchy until things settled. However, babies always need a new pair of shoes, and no doubt adding a revenue incentive might have had an impact - That's of course unless the developer was a lead Facebook or Google guy, who is splitting his time raising his kids in Beverly Hills or on his yacht in Monaco.
     
  17. mikedotd

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    Assuming you're referring to our email conversation, as I explained the original developer shared YaV1's code with me on the condition that it not be used for profit. I have no intention of violating that condition, YaV1 and any derived work will always be free.

    After explaining this I asked if your app would be free or commercial due to this requirement from Francky, and you indicated there may be a commercial version of JBV1. My not sharing his demo code with you has nothing to do with competition, it has to do with honoring my agreement that it not be used for profit.
     
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  18. midd

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    Is that the same reason why @johnboy00 can not assist with YaV1?
     
  19. mrmagloo

    mrmagloo Learning to Drive General User

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    Umm, yes, that seems to be the short answer.

    So, if I'm reading Mike's post correctly, it appears the Catch 22 that has developed here is, the folks who have access to the YaV1 code believe they are under a pledge not to use any part of the code to help develop a paid version of the app, or use the intel to make a separate paid app. However, one of the main reasons why YaV1 hasn't been updated since March 2015 is there's no financial incentive for folks to take the time out of their busy schedules to do the work. Frankly, I can't blame them - People have to take care of their families, put a roof over their heads, eat, etc, and it ain't easy - If it was easy to develop apps, we'd all be posting our own versions. The fact is, it's a very time consuming and thankless endeavor, and people should be compensated for their hard work, period.

    While we all owe Francky a huge thanks for his accomplishment and charity, and this predicament spotlights what a great thing he did. The fact is, over the last 2+ years the community has been unable to find another flag-bearer willing to make the same sacrifice and deliver an update to the masses, and the outlook is not good.

    So, either Francky reconsiders his marching orders, or YaV1 is going to fade away it seems. I would however suggest that everyone read Francky's first post in this tread where he specifically talks about the free vs paid dilemma: The way I read it is, while he'd really like for it to remain Free, in the event it cannot self-sustain as such, to let it be 100% public open source so other developers can build upon it. No doubt, as a community we have proven the Free route hasn't worked. So, it just doesn't make sense to push off and stonewall people who have demonstrated the willingness, fire, and capability to tackle the job?

    Following the advice I'd received from a few senior members here, I am attempting to contact Francky so he can weigh in himself. Hopefully, he will respond soon.
     
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  20. mikedotd

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    YaV1 is not going to fade away. This morning I submitted my version of the app (YaV1 NG) to the Google Play store which includes display fixes for certain phones, improved language, improved native sounds, and a "smart dark" feature that only enables the V1's main display during a non-muted alert. Unfortunately a few hours later Google suspended it because they think it's violates their impersonation policy, I presume because of it's similarity to YaV1. I've filed an appeal with Google and also reached out to Francky to see if he can help grant me developer publishing permission on YaV1 in case I can't publish under a new name.
     
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