Remote Radar Testing - 35.5 and K band

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Drove down to visit @Vortex last week so we could do some radar testing! Thanks so much for hosting me, it was a blast :). Thank you to all that loaned us detectors for testing!

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Stinger VIP (Dukes)
STi-R O (Dukes)
Radenso HD+ (Dukes)
STi-R Plus ( @mikedotd )
9500ci ( @edconline)
STi-R O ( @Vortex)
Net Radar ( @Vortex 1)
STi-R Plus (Dukes)
Net Radar @Vortex 2)
Net Radar ( @wrxsti15)

Here is the elevation profile the course:

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Device used to accurately measure distance:
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https://www.rdforum.org/showthread.php?t=54876

35.5 test results:

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K band test results

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Conclusions:


The K band course was difficult, especially for filtered detectors. You can see how much filtering reduces range on all the detectors. Scary detection distances on the Net Radar when filtered with TSR.

Our testing, once again showed the powered of the WB LNA vs the packaged LNA. The STiR-O and 9500CI consistently beat out the STiR Plus.



Bonus testing:

*These test results are based solely off of click2map app which can be off as GPS is not 100% accurate. My dash camera looped over our testing footage so we are also not able to verify these results 100%.*

We plan on redoing the 34.7 and 33.8 in a couple weeks.

34.7 Testing

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33.8 Testing

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Thanks SO much @Dukes for coming down and to everyone who sent in gear for testing! Here's some additional info about the testing.

First up, here's how the detectors looked mounted on @Dukes' truck for the first day of testing when we did 33.8 and 34.7.

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:p I love this... We also adjusted the angle of the antennas a bit more using tape to make sure they were all pointed straight. The second day when we did 35.5 and K band, Dukes said it was easier to just mount them one at a time so we did that instead.

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(The camera makes it look like the detectors are pointed off to the side, but that wasn't actually the case.)

A few comments about the results:

This course really helped show the difference between the wirebonded M3's and, well, the rest... :) On 33.8 and 34.7, they were the only detectors able to alert way out by the red barn.. including the Stinger! We definitely saw a difference between the WB and packaged M3's and I've got a new respect for the wirebonded ones. There really is something to the LNA's. The O's and 9500ci were noticeably better than the Plus's.

The kill zone is about 400-500 feet away from the radar gun in this course. Most every detector was able to alert with plenty of time for a save with the exception of the Net Radar on K band. It turns out the BSM filter on the Net Radar does in fact affect performance. TSR does as well. There were a few runs with the Net Radar where the detector literally went off at the kill zone as our speed was being registered, around 500 feet away. There was one run where it didn't go off until well after. That's really really bad. I'm liking the BSM filtering of the Net Radar, don't get me wrong. It's one of the best out there.. but for those of you guys who need K band performance, either turn off the filters or consider another detector. I was also a little surprised by the variability in results that we saw on 35.5. The alert distances were somewhat inconsistent between different copies, alerting in different parts of the course.

With the exception of 34.7, the Radenso HD+ did better than the Net Radar. I was thinking it would be a higher performance version of the Net Radar without lockouts or a frequency display and that's kind of what it is.

The Stinger I was expecting to do better, to be honest. It had done better before in previous testing, but it wasn't able to keep up with the other detectors every time which is something I would want it do be able to do. However, it did do very well on K band with the filters enabled. Heck, the top K band performance period was with the Stinger set to -1, its most heavily filtered setting. (We didn't run it on Regular -1, only QT -1. I wish we'd run it at Regular -1 since that applies even more filtering on K band, but ah well. My bad.)

I'm really happy with the performance of the O that Dukes gave me. If someone wants a high performance RD that is available today though, I think the 9500ci is a great option. You can get the head to plug into your ALP and as long as you don't need awesome BSM filtering, that's a great option. It's got the WB LNA like the O.

We also had two detector failures during testing. The first one was my Radenso HD+. The black plastic piece that locks down around the connector broke after the first round of testing and we weren't able to continue using that detector. Fortunately we had @Dukes' copy so we were able to continue testing with an HD+.

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Michael is sending me out a replacement HD+ and I'm going to send this one back.

We also had a similar failure with @wrxsti15's Net Radar connector. The inside of the plug actually popped out. It looked like it broke at the solder joints in the back.

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We were able to pop it back in to make the connection and keep testing with it, but it will need to be replaced as well. We figured that people would be worried that we were being really hard on the connectors, especially since we broke two of them, but I really don't think these types of connectors are made for repeated connecting/disconnecting. They're more of a set it and forget it type of connector. We didn't have any issues with the Escort/Bel connectors breaking on us, though Tom has mentioned he's seen a number of those break over the years on his end.

A fun note, if you have an O CPU, you can plug in a head from an O, Plus, or 9500ci. If you have a Plus CPU, you can plug in a head from an O or a Plus. If you plug in a 9500ci head, it won't work but it will still error out if you unplug the head.

As far as the radar guns used, we used a Bee III for 33.8, a Stalker II for 34.7, a Genesis II for 35.5, and a Bushnell for K band.

In terms of measuring distance, I LOVED the OBD-II meter that @Dukes used. I wish I had remembered to bring it the first day of testing because it was SO helpful. I don't wanna test without a tool like that anymore. :)
 

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Wow I'm i reading this right. The o and 9500 ci beat the stinger i'm kinda color blind.
 

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Wow I'm i reading this right. The o and 9500 ci beat the stinger i'm kinda color blind.
That's correct. It wouldn't be the first time...

https://www.rdforum.org/showthread.php?t=54039
https://www.rdforum.org/showthread.php?t=54443
https://www.rdforum.org/showthread.php?t=52592

(Seeing stuff like that makes it harder and harder to say the Stinger is definitively "the best," you know?)

I would have loved to have run mine as well, but we used my car as the radar car since it was easier to mount remotes on Dukes' truck, plus we had a lot more room inside his vehicle.

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Do you have a bar graph for 33.8 and 34.7?
 

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Do you have a bar graph for 33.8 and 34.7?
Negative, as mentioned these test results are based solely off of click2map app which can be off as GPS is not 100% accurate. My dash camera looped over our testing footage so we are also not able to verify these results 100%. In a couple weeks, I'll be back to redo 34.7 and 35.5 with Vortex
 

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Negative, as mentioned these test results are based solely off of click2map app which can be off as GPS is not 100% accurate. My dash camera looped over our testing footage so we are also not able to verify these results 100%. In a couple weeks, I'll be back to redo 34.7 and 35.5 with Vortex
If I am reading the graph correctly on 34.7 the Stinger and HD+ performed the worst?
 

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If I am reading the graph correctly on 34.7 the Stinger and HD+ performed the worst?
To be fair, I've seen two big discrepancies in the Click2Map results where sometime it was off by as much as 1000 feet. It was rare, but it did happen. It's one of the reasons we're not totally confident in those results, especially without dashcam footage, and we want to redo them.
 

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We also had a similar failure with @wrxsti15's Net Radar connector. The inside of the plug actually popped out. It looked like it broke at the solder joints in the back.

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We were able to pop it back in to make the connection and keep testing with it, but it will need to be replaced as well.
Do you know if this is going to be warranty? and are the results so bad with my antenna compare to your NET antenna because of connector?
Is it broken on extension side, or on radar side?
 

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Do you know if this is going to be warranty? and are the results so bad with my antenna compare to your NET antenna because of connector?
Is it broken on extension side, or on radar side?
I'm pretty sure it would be. BRD can confirm. Actually, now that I think about it, it was broken on the extension cable side, not the antenna side. We wound up using the extension cable out of my car for the rest of testing.
 

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I'm pretty sure it would be. BRD can confirm. Actually, now that I think about it, it was broken on the extension cable side, not the antenna side. We wound up using the extension cable out of my car for the rest of testing.
I'm just wondering why was such a big difference between yours and my NET antenna ... It is my rear one, front one is installed in grill, so I just borrow rear one to Dukes...
We will need to do some testings in Edm when I get back from vacation... so I can see how my front one is performing vs rear one (mounted on front end of car)...
 

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I'm just wondering why was such a big difference between yours and my NET antenna ... It is my rear one, front one is installed in grill, so I just borrow rear one to Dukes...
We will need to do some testings in Edm when I get back from vacation... so I can see how my front one is performing vs rear one (mounted on front end of car)...
If there was 3 runs you will find variances from one run to the next on any detector. I would not worry based on one run unless its replicated over and over. We will probably reduce the delay on the Traffic Filter which will increase reactivity in a future update. The delay seems to effect some lower powered K Band guns.
 

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If there was 3 runs you will find variances from one run to the next on any detector. I would not worry based on one run unless its replicated over and over. We will probably reduce the delay on the Traffic Filter which will increase reactivity in a future update. The delay seems to effect some lower powered K Band guns.
We will do more testing in future and see... It will be good to do more testing now after new FW as it states there are RD improvements...

What will happen with my cable? Is it warranty, or I need to buy new one?
 

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This terrifies me as my local detachment is like 75% K band (it seems that all new RCMP vehicles are getting K band?) I hope I don't get unlucky. Really second guessing the Net Radar. All though the Ka range is nuts. Thanks for the results guys!

I'm glad Tom is already adressing it. Not too worried anymore!
 
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We will do more testing in future and see... It will be good to do more testing now after new FW as it states there are RD improvements...

What will happen with my cable? Is it warranty, or I need to buy new one?
We will swap it at no cost. Just PM me your address information and we will mail you a replacement tomorrow.

---------- Post added at 06:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:10 PM ----------

BTW - What K Band gun was used? Was it a regular K Band gun or low powered K Band Gun like the Falcon HR you used in your other test?
 

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We will swap it at no cost. Just PM me your address information and we will mail you a replacement tomorrow.

---------- Post added at 06:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:10 PM ----------

BTW - What K Band gun was used? Was it a regular K Band gun or low powered K Band Gun like the Falcon HR you used in your other test?
Nice. :)

Oh yeah, thank you, I forgot to mention that. We used a Bushnell for K band instead of the HR this time.
 

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Nice. :)

Oh yeah, thank you, I forgot to mention that. We used a Bushnell for K band instead of the HR this time.
If you need to borrow real guns for future testing just ask. When it comes to results that are not great I talk with engineering frequently to improve performance but if I go to engineering with a test from a Bushnell they will laugh at me. I already ordered and received a new Falcon to maximize filtering against those but the Bushnell is not something I can work with.

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On the 35.5 results any notes on the differences between the three bet radar units? One seemed to perform decent while the other two no so much.


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If you need to borrow real guns for future testing just ask. When it comes to results that are not great I talk with engineering frequently to improve performance but if I go to engineering with a test from a Bushnell they will laugh at me. I already ordered and received a new Falcon to maximize filtering against those but the Bushnell is not something I can work with.

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Thats a great point. The NetRadar seems like its 'tuned' to differentiate between a police radar gun and BSM filters so using a Bushnell might affect results in a negative way being that its not a real police radar gun.
 

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