34.7 Testing - Battle of the Remotes

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@edconline, @ahawnt and I met up to do some 34.7 testing against remote mounted radar detectors today! We tested two courses today, both on the same road. We tested these remotes against my Stalker II and both courses were off-axis.

We are planning another test to include the Net Radar in the coming weeks. Unfortunately we did not have a RG3 module to plug the Net Radar into, so it was not included in this test.


Here are the elevation profiles for each course:

Testing course 1:
loc 1 elevation profile.JPG

Testing course 2:
loc 2 elevation profile.JPG


Detector settings:

Stinger VIP:
  • 3.3.789 current public firmware
  • +1 Sensitivity, Quick trigger mode
  • K off
STiR O:
  • Ka band - 2,4,5,8 on
  • RDR off
  • K band - off
9500 CI (antenna connected to STiR-O CPU):
  • Ka band - 2,4,5,8 on
  • RDR off
  • K band - off
STiR Plus (antenna connected to STiR-O CPU):
  • Ka band - 2,4,5,8 on
  • RDR off
  • K band - off
Radenso HD+:
  • Connected to ALP RG module
  • Segmented N2,N3 and N4
radar det.jpg

Testing course:

*There is no sound*

[video=youtube;JukRnoqfCMc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JukRnoqfCMc&feature=youtu.be[/video]

The Results:



loc 1 test results.JPG

loc 2 test results.JPG

You can really see the separation between WB LNA's and packaged LNA's in these tests. The STiR Plus did have a good run on the second testing course, but it wasn't consistent. Whereas the WB 9500CI and STiR-O were very consistent throughout the entire day of testing.

All of these remotes would have provided more than enough time to slow down in a real scenario.
 
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Great day of testing! [MENTION=4479]Dukes[/MENTION] covered the relevant data in his post, but I will add some comments/observations.

One thing that was surprising but also refreshing was the consistency of the detections from all of the units (save for the STIR Plus, which is inline with reports I have heard about these units being inconsistent in the past). The STIR O as you can see from the results was consistently the best performer, followed closely by the 9500ci. What was surprising (to me) was that both units had a pretty decent edge over the Stinger VIP. (Course 2). Course 2 was what I would consider a near perfect test for off axis performance. As you approach the source, you are in a nice gentle, sweeping curve that provides excellent separation for the various remotes. The M3's had a distinct edge over the VIP in off-axis performance. Obviously this is just one course, and more testing could confirm or refute these results, but based on today it looks like while the VIP may be the current reigning champ for ultra-long range, as PC pointed out, the M3's are still the units to beat in challenging/off-axis terrain.

This is no small portion of the overall CM picture either, some of my biggest saves have been last-second detections in brutal off-axis situations. It is here where even 50' can be the difference between a huge save and a huge ticket. Now all of the detectors tested today would have provided a good save on this course, no question about that. However another surprise was the performance of the Radenso HD+. It was the worst performing remote tested today, which was not what I expected based on previous testing of this unit when [MENTION=2404]Vortex[/MENTION] was in town. (It's worth noting 'for the record' that when we tested it preciously it was with the standalone 975 interface, and today it was tested via RG integration to ALP). I recall reading that the HD+ was tuned to be hot on 34.7 and that it had exceptional off-axis performance, almost too sensitive off axis in early testing IIRC. Today's results directly refuted both of those things.

All in all, I was impressed (as always) by the O, pleased with the performance of my newly repaired CI, surprised by the VIP and the HD+ and indifferent about the STIR Plus lol.
It's amazing the things you learn every single time you do testing!

Thanks to everyone involved, I look forward to some more testing to include the new Net Radar in the near future!
 
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Great testing gentlemen......

The results do not surprise me. The WB M3s are STILL the ones to beat. The VIP, as great as it can be, is inconsistent at times and even more so, frustrating.
 

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If I knew I could have ripped up there with the Net Radar to join you guys. Was supposed to be there this weekend anyways!
 

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Hmmm, not a good showing for the Stinger or the Radenso installed units.
 

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Potentially noob question, but what's the difference between the STIR O and the STIR Plus? Can't really seem to find any info on that anywhere
 

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Potentially noob question, but what's the difference between the STIR O and the STIR Plus? Can't really seem to find any info on that anywhere
STiR Plus Left / STiR O Right
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The STiR-O uses a wirebonded LNA (low noise amplifier) and the STiR-Plus uses a "packaged" LNA. The packaged LNA is cheaper and easier to produce which is why it switched. Also, the STiR-O does not have any GPS capibilities. So no lockouts. Whereas the STiR-Plus does have GPS and lockouts.

STiR-O is discontinued and can only be bought used.
 
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From the looks of things the 9500 head unit is smoking
 

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Potentially noob question, but what's the difference between the STIR O and the STIR Plus? Can't really seem to find any info on that anywhere
In addition to what Dukes said: the 9500ci has the same guts as the STIR O, and the capability to support GPS.
 

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The magic in the "O" is in the CPU. The head from a STi-R O if paired with a plus or 9500ci would get crippled. The CPU seems to be made for all out performance because it doesn't have to juggle laser, gps lockouts, or TSR. If they took a Beltronics RX75 Pro CPU and flashed it with the "O" software, I think it would work the same. The only difference is that the Rx75 does seem to have laser shifters.

The wire bonded LNA helps, but I think even a packaged LNA head would smoke any other Unit in range if paired with the STi-R O CPU.
 
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The magic in the "O" is in the CPU. The head from a STi-R O if paired with a plus or 9500ci would get crippled. The CPU seems to be made for all out performance because it doesn't have to juggle laser, gps lockouts, or TSR. If they took a Beltronics RX75 Pro CPU and flashed it with the "O" software, I think it would work the same. The only difference is that the Rx75 does seem to have laser shifters.

The wire bonded LNA helps, but I think even a packaged LNA head would smoke any other Unit in range if paired with the STi-R O CPU.
The 9500CI antenna and STiR Plus antenna were connected to the STiR-O interface during this test so I think it disproves that theory...
 
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The 9500CI antenna and STiR Plus antenna were connected to the STiR-O interface during this test so I think it disproves that theory...
This.


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I am still trying to figure out why the HD+ did so bad
From the testing I have seen, the HD not doing well compared to its competition seems pretty common. However, there has only been few tests done so maybe the HD just had some bad days.
 

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I really liked the graph results layout. It was colorful and extremely easy to read. It's layout was awesome! Thank you for all your testing and analysis.
I look forward to these awesome graphs as well when the big test is done by Vortex pitting the 9500ci against all the competition on multiple bands here soon.
 

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The 9500CI antenna and STiR Plus antenna were connected to the STiR-O interface during this test so I think it disproves that theory...
That's interesting, I guess I didn't read that part on there so I missed it. I remember the only STiR-O that I received recently, and it smoked my WB Magnum which was mounted much higher on the dash. I always attributed it to the CPU being much better. What doesn't make sense is that the "O" has a Wire Bonded LNA like the 9500ci, but it does better than that one. So how is that possible... strange.
 

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The magnum is behind glass and the Stir-O is not. That is why remotes are better in most scenarios.

It's not that is its better per say. There is a manufacturer variance between units. Both the 9500CI and the StirO did consistently well in this test. I would call them even after seeing them perform.


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That's interesting, I guess I didn't read that part on there so I missed it. I remember the only STiR-O that I received recently, and it smoked my WB Magnum which was mounted much higher on the dash. I always attributed it to the CPU being much better. What doesn't make sense is that the "O" has a Wire Bonded LNA like the 9500ci, but it does better than that one. So how is that possible... strange.
I just looked over my first post, I forgot to include that info. I'll add that now.
 
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The 9500CI antenna and STiR Plus antenna were connected to the STiR-O interface during this test so I think it disproves that theory...
I'm sure the wire bonded LNA provides the difference in range performance between the plus and the O. But, I do wonder if the proprietary CPU makes a difference over the ALP radar module. I have an STIR Plus which has always performed well in my testing. The receiver on that Plus is attached to the Beltonics interface. I purchased a 9500 ci receiver to run with an ALP radar module expecting Stir O type performance. In my testing against fixed off axis 34.7 Ka sources, the Stir Plus with it's proprietary interface crushed the 9500 ci. My Redline also spanked it. I chalked the 9500 ci's poor performance up to it being a dud and, it might have been. But, now I'm thinking there could be more to it. Only way to know for sure is to test the same receiver with the proprietary interface, then with the ALP radar module. I don't think that's ever been done.
 

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I'm sure the wire bonded LNA provides the difference in range performance between the plus and the O. But, I do wonder if the proprietary CPU makes a difference over the ALP radar module. I have an STIR Plus which has always performed well in my testing. The receiver on that Plus is attached to the Beltonics interface. I purchased a 9500 ci receiver to run with an ALP radar module expecting Stir O type performance. In my testing against fixed off axis 34.7 Ka sources, the Stir Plus with it's proprietary interface crushed the 9500 ci. My Redline also spanked it. I chalked the 9500 ci's poor performance up to it being a dud and, it might have been. But, now I'm thinking there could be more to it. Only way to know for sure is to test the same receiver with the proprietary interface, then with the ALP radar module. I don't think that's ever been done.
[MENTION=7078]edconline[/MENTION] experienced the same thing. He sent his 9500ci in for repair to escort. It went from a paperweight detector to a monster. We used that 9500ci antenna in this test, so maybe yours needs a tune up?
 

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