Initial Remote Testing: Stinger VIP, Radenso HD+, Net Radar vs 34.7 6/12/16

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So yesterday @meismyname and I met up to do some radar detector testing to find some good new courses in the area. To do this we found a couple potential locations online, grabbed a few detectors and a radar gun, set up a test course, and did a few passes with different detectors to see what the results are like, what kind of distances and separation we'd get, and so on. These tests are NOT designed to be a definitive reference for how detectors compare. Once we get a feel for a course we like and everything looks good, we'll being going back with a bunch of detectors and lots of radar guns to do some proper full on testing. What I'm sharing here is more like an initial scouting trip. :)

Now since a bunch of new remotes are coming out, we figured we'd do the initial test passes with the remotes to get some comparison results in. Two birds with one stone, you know? To do this, @meismyname put together an awesome bracket to hold the different remotes which we attached to my front license plate. On top of it we mounted the Stinger VIP, Radenso HD, and Net Radar. Check this out. :D :D

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I'm actually super excited to have a mount available like this now! It makes it super easy to install the heads and swap on the fly. The Stinger is installed in my car with the cables run inside my engine bay. The Net Radar and HD+ I haven't installed yet so I ran the cables up over the hood and into the car where we'd power on one system at a time per pass.

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In another car we'd set up the Stalker II with the top covered with a jacket in case anyone walked by and got concerned about a gun looking device laying out in a car. This was our radar car.

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We tested on two different courses and saw some differences between both courses, so let's take a look.

Detectors tested:

-Stinger VIP, tested with 3.3.789 (current public firmware, provided by Stinger)
Quick Trigger Mode and Alert Bias +1 for max performance
Regular Mode and Alert Bias -1 for max filtering

-Radenso HD+ and Beltronics 975 (production hardware, provided by Hügel66)
Segmented 2/5/8

-Net Radar (production antenna, beta ALP firmware, beta Android app, provided by BRD)
Unsegmented, running Ka wide due to a bug with Ka segmentation that is now being fixed

Course 1:

The first course was a fairly residential area with lots of curves and trees. Maximum detection range was about 0.5 miles.

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and here's a video of running the test course. We always do our first run with the Stinger on max settings to see the full possible length of the course.

https://youtu.be/IPusUu7UHCY

As you can see, we saw a difference depending on how we ran the Stinger. On QT +1 you get better performance but more K falsing (we even got a BSM false during the test run) while Regular -1 is much quieter. Even still it managed to edge out the other detectors. The Net Radar managed to alert a little before the HD+ in this case.

This looked to be a pretty good classic course with a few curves and hills to help create some separation between detectors, plus a convenient place to park the radar car and turn around on the far end of the course. Plus limited traffic. I think it'd be a pretty good standard test course to try out.

Course 2:

For the second course, the setup was a bit different. It was a longer course and there were two possible detection zones about 1.2 mi away and 0.4 mi away. You'd pick it up way out for a little while, eventually drop it, and then pick it back up again as you crest a hill. We called those zones the long and short detection zones. The Stinger and HD+ both picked it up in the long zone, but the HD+ dropped it a bit within the long zone there while the Stinger easily held it the entire time. The Net Radar didn't alert 'till the short zone.

Here's a video of the Stinger running the full course with annotations to point out the long and short zones, as well as where the radar car is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpUSq0g8oXM

This course had a decent amount of open farmland for the signal to travel through, but it also had a guard rail alongside much of the road which'd make it harder for a remote mount which is mounted down lower so we decided to run a few WS mount detectors as well for comparison.

Here's a look at the results. They're kinda scrunched on the map since we ran more detectors and many alerted around the same spot.

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So this course is a little different. It's kinda stew test'ish with a long distance zone that some detectors picked up on, some didn't. Again some detectors held the signal better than others throughout the long section, but that's what we saw. The short zone, most detectors alerted as you crest over top of a hill. Some just before the hill, some at the top, some just after.

So this course really clustered the detectors more than I wanted. It's good to illustrate that many detectors can give you very similar results depending on the conditions, and that's good to remember. However, it doesn't show the differences between detectors really. The Stinger did pretty similar no matter the settings this time. The Net Radar was the only detector that didn't manage to alert in the long zone, so that's interesting to note.

I mentioned the guard rail alongside the road potentially blocking the signal and I think WS mounts had an inherent advantage in this course. A remote mount would probably do better if it was mounted in the grill of a larger/taller vehicle like a truck. I think this'd be a good course to go back to and do some height testing. The only good spot to mount remotes in my grill is super super low, a few inches off the ground. I can do that, use this license plate mount, run it low on my windshield, and high on my windshield. This course would be going for illustrating the impact of height. The first course probably wouldn't show as much of a difference since it's more just trees and curves blocking the signal.

Anyways, that's a quick look at what we saw yesterday with the two test courses we ran yesterday. There's more I want to try out and see how they fare. Every course shows us something different.

Once I settle on the courses I want, I can do a more complete test with multiple passes to account for run-to-run variation, run with more detectors, different radar bands, etc. The goal right now is to focus more on the courses, not on the detectors themselves, but I wanted to share this with you guys anyways. :)
 

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Re: Initial Remote Testing: Stinger VIP, Radenso HD+, Net Radar 6/12/16

Thanks again Vortex. I was sold on the Net Radar until seeing the results of the 2nd test. Hopefully that gets sorted out before production units ship. The first test was impressive for the Net Radar though.
 

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Re: Initial Remote Testing: Stinger VIP, Radenso HD+, Net Radar 6/12/16

Thanks again Vortex. I was sold on the Net Radar until seeing the results of the 2nd test. Hopefully that gets sorted out before production units ship. The first test was impressive for the Net Radar though.
I don't think performance is the goal of this unit. The main focus in its creation was great filtering and reasonable performance at an affordable price, not full out performance.

That said, it's also important to keep in mind that that was just one run, it's one band, it's running unsegmented (the others were segmented), and it's running on beta ALP firmware, so these results are not by any means conclusive or complete. Results may very well be different once it's tested while properly segmented. That, in and of itself, would be good to test. Add it to the continuously growing list of test ideas. ;)
 

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Re: Initial Remote Testing: Stinger VIP, Radenso HD+, Net Radar 6/12/16

Thanks again Vortex. I was sold on the Net Radar until seeing the results of the 2nd test. Hopefully that gets sorted out before production units ship. The first test was impressive for the Net Radar though.
I wouldn't write it off just yet. We did just do a single run, and the second test was more of a "Can it make this narrow, crazy, off-axis shot or not?" than anything. We'll know more as testing continues.
 

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Re: Initial Remote Testing: Stinger VIP, Radenso HD+, Net Radar 6/12/16

In other words, as with all RD tests, YMMV :):)
 

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Re: Initial Remote Testing: Stinger VIP, Radenso HD+, Net Radar 6/12/16

Definitely had a good time testing and I look forward to more! Glad I was able to help!
 

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Re: Initial Remote Testing: Stinger VIP, Radenso HD+, Net Radar 6/12/16

Definitely had a good time testing and I look forward to more! Glad I was able to help!
Thank you for all your help so far and great job fabricating the mount! I'm looking forward to more testing. :)
 

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Fascinating. Where would you expect the STIR+ to rank in that lineup?
 

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Show me the RD that handles ALL BSMs the best, that's the one I want. (<$1k)
 
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I doubt that the Sti-R Plus would perform as well. That test was with an Stir-O and not a Plus.
Even a packaged LNA M3 is no slouch. It may not have quite the performance of the WB ones, but it should still be in the same general ballpark.

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Show me the RD that handles ALL BSMs the best, that's the one I want.
heh, a detector with good enough performance but outstanding BSM filtering will likely be many (most?) people's top picks, realistically speaking.
 

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Even a packaged LNA M3 is no slouch. It may not have quite the performance of the WB ones, but it should still be in the same general ballpark.
Maybe if you are lucky to find a hot one. I have one here that the Net Radar beats every time and its still installed in my car. It will be uninstalled shortly and you can have it if you want.
 

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Maybe if you are lucky to find a hot one. I have one here that the Net Radar beats every time and its still installed in my car. It will be uninstalled shortly and you can have it if you want.
It would be good to add an M3 to the collection, no doubt. Do you think its performance would be representative of other Plus' though? I don't want to unfairly select a known cold unit, you know?
 

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Show me the RD that handles ALL BSMs the best, that's the one I want. (<$1k)
You could use a cobra and then just leave the power cord disconnected. I promise you it would be quiet to all BSMs, and absolutely everything else!
 

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It would be good to add an M3 to the collection, no doubt. Do you think its performance would be representative of other Plus' though? I don't want to unfairly select a known cold unit, you know?
Scour this very forum for Sti-R Plus performance videos. The Plus was not that impressive and its the reason everyone started adding 9500CI's antennas to the ALP's instead of Plus units.
 

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Scour this very forum for Sti-R Plus performance videos. The Plus was not that impressive and its the reason everyone started adding 9500CI's antennas to the ALP's instead of Plus units.
I always saw it as the packaged ones were good, but the wire bonded ones were simply better. Not that the packaged ones were terrible and the wire bonded ones were sensational or something.
 

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I always saw it as the packaged ones were good, but the wire bonded ones were simply better. Not that the packaged ones were terrible and the wire bonded ones were sensational or something.
On 34.7 the Sti-R Plus usually does not do very well, Its much better on 33.8

Looking at a RDF Previous test look at how different one Plus did verse the other plus. For some reason with the Sti-R Plus the variance from one detector to the other is dramatic.

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On 34.7 the Sti-R Plus usually does not do very well, Its much better on 33.8

Looking at a RDF Previous test look at how different one Plus did verse the other plus. For some reason with the Sti-R Plus the variance from one detector to the other is dramatic.

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Seems like Net Radar is supposed to beat everything except Stinger. Let's hope the second test was just a one-off.
 

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On 34.7 the Sti-R Plus usually does not do very well, Its much better on 33.8

Looking at a RDF Previous test look at how different one Plus did verse the other plus. For some reason with the Sti-R Plus the variance from one detector to the other is dramatic.

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Yeah that test has always puzzled me. A Max2 got the longest detections beating out every single other detector, both front and rear.

A V1 beat two Redlines and a Plus.

A Passport beat a Redline and a Plus.

One STi-R Plus did great, another not so much.

That whole test is a headscratcher and I still don't know what to make of it. The results definitely don't match what we generally see otherwise.
 

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