CACTG Radar Detector Test

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Alright, we sure did have a long weekend of testing up here in Edmonton. A HUGE thank you to @Vortex, @edconline,@wrxsti15,@BaileyAB,@adam,@TakeOffEh who came out to help assist with testing!! Also thanks to @PointerCone for sending out the Redline Pro - A (Also thanks for the testing group name idea "CACTG"):)

This course was a total length of 8 Kilometers or 4.97 Miles (26246.7 Feet). Please note, this course was chosen to find the furthest possible detection. These distances are "fringe detection's" and it doesn't necessary mean that it "locked" on to the signal. @edconline can go into more detail :). We included windshield mounted detectors for the 34.7 course only. 33.8 and 35.5 only included remote mounted detectors.

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Here are the 34.7 results. Distance in feet.
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* The 22309 ft HD+ Remote detection is in question. This is because it was mounted on top of a 9500ci antenna which was running at the time of testing. We have included another run with the 9500ci antenna off.

Here are the 35.5 results.
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Here are the 33.8 results.
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So we used two of my vehicles for the long range radar test course. One had the STIR-O installed in it, and a V1 but for the testing I had the V1 turned off. The settings for my STIR-O were segmented Ka band, 2/5/8 enabled, Highway Mode, RDR OFF.
Photo of STIR O location:
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In the other vehicle, we performed the WS mounted detector testing, as well as the HD+ testing. The WS detectors were all set up by @Vortex, mounted in the same location every time, and each given the same chance to get the longer detections. The exception to that, was some of the detectors that showed weaker performance or where it would not have been possible for them to get the epic fringe detections, we did not run the full course length on.
However, the Stinger, HD+, O, Redline Pro A, V1, and Radenso Pro SE were all run full course at least once.

Now @Dukes mentioned 'Fringe Detections' in the above post. What he means by that, is that because of the way the course was set up, there was a section way back near the start where it was pretty much on axis with line of sight in some spots to the source 8km away. However, the course then curved and went through a valley and under a bridge.
This meant that while it was possible to get a short/weak alert way back at the start (as evidenced by the long detections on some detectors), all of those would be lost pretty quickly and then the re-acquisition of the signal and lock would happen after the bridge. Critically, you could not count on any of the detectors to alert back there. Though without question, the Stinger was the most likely to get those long range fringe detections, and it did so more often than any of the others and with greater range. Again, this should not be surprising to anyone.

The fringe detection ranges should be taken as exactly that - something that is possible for the detector to achieve, in ideal circumstances, with the right traffic conditions, etc. However, you should not expect that range, where the detectors were locking repeatably was the more realistic indication of their overall performance.

There may be some surprise with the performance of some of the units. There was some surprise that the O didn't get longer range on some of the bands, or more consistently. However, knowing my unit, I was not surprised (or disappointed) by it at all. We intentionally picked a challenging long range course, as we wanted to see how the remotes fared against the challenging and more realistic terrain.

Could the O or the HD+ have performed better given a different course? Sure, but then so would the Stinger VIP probably. Looking at the technology both systems use, it only makes sense. I've gotten some CRAZY 34.7 detections and saves with this O, when i was on a dead straight section of Hwy with nothing between me and the source, but how often is that the case? In any event, this is only the first of several upcoming remote detector tests. Vortex will be conducting a more extensive Remote Mount specific detector test this year, which will hopefully have another O, Plus, CI, Stinger, HD+ and potentially some new upcoming equipment, so lots more results will be coming in.

Overall, everything performed more than well enough to provide a good save, some offering great saves. The only possible exception being the V1 mounted in the vertical orientation.
The Stinger VIP performance was unquestionably superior to the rest of the detectors, and it was great to have multiple Stingers and firmware versions to test with, lots of great support from them in this regard.

The HD+ was another standout performer, especially evident on 34.7 which it has been specifically tuned to be strong on. I also love the VERY robust case on the HD+, honestly it looks and feels military grade. The antenna is also much more compact overall than the 9500ci sized head, and that's with the mount built in. Very, very solid unit all around. The biggest limiting factor with our HD+ testing was the 975 interface. While it does the job, and is nice and compact, it's very limited in functionality. With no voice announcement or frequency display, you need to stare at the controller and listen carefully to determine what it is alerting to. This meant we had no way of really confirming that we were truly picking up the source signal. That's also part of the reason that we have to take the Fringe Detection on 34.7 that the HD+ got with the possibility it was interference from the 9500ci we forgot to shut off until the next run. That said, it ranged out that far on 33.8 so it's not impossible that it could detect 34.7 out there, especially given the performance it has on that band.

IMO the HD+ is basically a newer STIR O. And that is saying something!! Although we didn't test it this weekend against Normal K band, Vortex has already posted some of the data on that, and the K filtering looks like it is amazing, whereas the O doesn't have any filtering on K making it all but unusable on K band. Also, perhaps most importantly, the STIR O is out of production. So you would have to try and track one down in good condition if you wanted to go that route AND didn't need K band.

Here is how the HD+ was mounted, right on top of my 'Unicorn Head'!! (The CI mounted on the Juke, yes we shut the CI off after run 1 where we forgot, but it's defective anyways).
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As with the MRCD data I posted, I'll be adding video and more info to this post over the next couple days as I get it edited. Ask if you want something specific, there are TONS of video clips.

Also cool was I got a chance to test out my newly installed PCAS as there was an airport nearby. It worked very well! From what I saw, it could certainly provide a VASCAR save if that was a threat.
 

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Wow, the [MENTION=10365]Stinger[/MENTION] surely kicked some a** on that course. Congrats and great job.

thanks again for testing gentlemen.

That Stir-O?? Who's unit?? Really surprises me that it did so poorly comparatively..............
 

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Wow, the @Stinger surely kicked some a** on that course. Congrats and great job.

thanks again for testing gentlemen.

That Stir-O?? Who's unit?? Really surprises me that it did so poorly comparatively..............
Yea I was kind of surprised as well but its not as if its lacking either.... those are pretty respectable detection's! Its [MENTION=7078]edconline[/MENTION]'s unit
 

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Thank you guys so much for all the hard work and testing done this past weekend.

I have been waiting for these results for a few weeks and they will dictate if I am buying the Radenso HD+ and from what I have seen so far, it looks like it is a beast :p

Looking forward to further results and comments and keep it up guys!
 

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Wow, the [MENTION=10365]Stinger[/MENTION] surely kicked some a** on that course. Congrats and great job.

thanks again for testing gentlemen.

That Stir-O?? Who's unit?? Really surprises me that it did so poorly comparatively..............
My unit. It's hot, but those fringe detections are sporadic, and unpredictable especially with variations in traffic.
Also, there are only a couple chances for the fringe detections before you enter the curve/dip and then you're gonna have to wait for the signal to resume.

Nothing, including the Stinger held the signal from the fringe detections to source. We are talking blips here, losing the signal, then locking after the terrain changes past the halfway.

Also, we know the HD+ has been tuned to be hotter on 34.7.
 

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It was so great meeting you all and testing this weekend! You've got an awesome community here in Edmonton. :)
 

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Thank you guys so much for all the hard work and testing done this past weekend.

I have been waiting for these results for a few weeks and they will dictate if I am buying the Radenso HD+ and from what I have seen so far, it looks like it is a beast :p

Looking forward to further results and comments and keep it up guys!
I'll be posting more about the HD+ soon as I had it on my car.
 

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Yea I was kind of surprised as well but its not as if its lacking either.... those are pretty respectable detection's! Its @edconline's unit
I can't deny the superiority of the Stinger, BUT I can sure question that particular Stir-O??? How is it mounted??? Behind something?? Settings???
 

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I can't deny the superiority of the Stinger, BUT I can sure question that particular Stir-O??? How is it mounted??? Behind something?? Settings???
Behind nothing, front and center, dead straight.
2/5/8 RDR OFF. Highway. The hottest of my 2 O's and plus I had at one point.
Let me finish my work day and you'll have pics of the installs and all the details.

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Also, you'll have drone footage of the whole test course within a couple weeks, for the first time ever. So everyone can re-live the test course exactly as it appears.
 
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I'm certain there's a reason, but why the discrepancy between the Stinger between Vortex and Dukes? Antenna mounting location/orientation?
 

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Thank you guys so much for all the hard work and testing done this past weekend.

I have been waiting for these results for a few weeks and they will dictate if I am buying the Radenso HD+ and from what I have seen so far, it looks like it is a beast :p

Looking forward to further results and comments and keep it up guys!
Same here, thanks to all we have something in hands so we can estimate what to expect.
 

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Can't wait for the videos. Thanks for your efforts and your responses as the data pours in.
 

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Updated post #2 with my findings, video and photos to follow later on tonight.

---------- Post added at 02:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:15 PM ----------

I'm certain there's a reason, but why the discrepancy between the Stinger between Vortex and Dukes? Antenna mounting location/orientation?
Either of them could answer even better, but from what I saw it is because as I mentioned in post #2, the Fringe Detections on ALL the units, even the Stinger, were unpredictable and random. You could run it 10 times and get no detection way out there before the bridge, then run it another two times and eek out a crazy detection both times. Keep in mind though, the Stinger was the most likely to get those crazy long range ones.
Another reason why it was so awesome to have so many detectors available and enough people to do so many runs/tests with them!!
 
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That course really showing the strength of that patch antenna. Thanks for great work guys.
 

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Do you happen to have the test data for 35.5 and 33.8 for the windshield mounts?
 

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Do you happen to have the test data for 35.5 and 33.8 for the windshield mounts?
We didn't run them against those bands, time was too limited.
 

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It was so great meeting you all and testing this weekend! You've got an awesome community here in Edmonton. :)
We greatly appreciate you coming up and taking the time to test with us; I know I learnt a lot and have a lot to think about!

I hope your drive to Banff was good and that your new friend Timmy treats you well :)

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