Motorcycle rider's needs for a RD

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I have been testing the V1 in my car while I wait for my arm to heal. It is an interesting activity. I dont see much LEO activity but I do get lots and lots of K band. I have a 2 mile stretch of road on my commute with 4 sets of speed signs (opposite sides of the road). The V1 has been having fun with that, and I have been having fun trying to figure out which bogey is which. In 80 miles I have had 4 laser falses so I think I will turn that off at least until I am more familiar with radar.
I am experiencing a delay on audio of about 1 second. I am using a bluetooth adapter for my stereo paired to my iphone while listening to audio books via the Overdrive app. I am hoping it will get better with the Sena on my bikes.
Is it normal for the V1 to be squawking while the phone is silent?
Depends on how you have things setup.

Is audio paired to the car? Is the Radio listening on Bluetooth? OR Do you have HFP enabled.

There are a few options and if you set them to not match what your doing on the car radio then you can hear nothing.

With a Sena (BT Helmet) you probably are always streaming Bluetooth. So any sound the phone makes you get on the headset and HFP should be off.

With a Car you are more likely to choose other sources on the Radio like (FM, SD, USB, XM). If you do use other sources you want to enable HFP and the car will switch to the Alert when it comes in, just like a Phone Call would.

If you have Audio Paired, HFP Off and not Listening to Bluetooth on the Radio, you will get no sound on the phone or car during an alert.
 

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I mostly ride out of town (I used to commute daily...even in the AZ summer)
Been with Belscort for years (thus far)
Was an RX65 S7 for about 40k miles
Switched to a Redline...couldn't be happier
For the out of town riding I typically do, not figuring on GPS.
V1 would fit the bill nicely for me too.
In the car-city-commuting, it's GPS, Bluetooth, Waze, etc.
On the bike recreation riding - more off-angle RD performance, filters off riding through canyons, mountains, on back country nowhere roads

Mounting
I tried different spots and settled behind the smoke fairing just above the instrument panel.
Preplanning the mounting brackets and routing the cabling for power and audio...I've spent less time planning a lot of other projects. It took me a lot of research and reaching around the bike with and without the fairings and saying "hmmmm" and "nope" a lot to finally get a good plan for my bike/situation. But once I got it mounted, it's been great and hasn't caused any trouble since.
Each bike model is going to be a custom install and some bikes are severely cramped for space to discover what works best.

Alerting
Since the entire instrument panel/fairing is completely out of sight for me (unless I go looking down to waist level), I tried different things to alert to my helmet.
* H.A.R.D.
+ visual alert
+ no delay
+ once set up, it wasn't in the way
+ coolness factor/talking point w/other riders
- My version I had to remember to turn it off after the ride or the battery would be dead the next morning (not sure if the latest versions address this with an auto-off or something)
- had to turn it on for each ride, not a big deal
- The version I had simply alerted...I couldn't tell what band it was. Not sure if they've changed that. A pricier competitor at the time had a multi-LED version that would trip visually to different bands.
- daytime to nighttime...when riding a trip through 4 corners all day, the sun finally set and just as it got dark, I got a radar hit. While the angle of the LED during the daylight was just fine, after dark, it lit up my whole helmet, I had to suddenly reach up with the off hand and cover the LED to keep from being blinded. I was laughing and it was handled. But I had to remember to angle the LED down as the sun set.

* Audio patch cable
+ Once I got the wiring pre-planned, I have a simple 3.5mm audio plug at the base of the tank that I plug into and my earbuds cable runs down the inside of my jacket. While the H.A.R.D. system seemed more high-tech, the simple audio cable just felt easier and I've been using that ever since.
+ I got in the habit of earbuds during the ride and simply patched in audio from the RD
+ If I ride without music, I just have to turn the RD audio down slightly
+ hearing slightly saved from wind-roar, etc due to wearing ear buds on the ride (had to get used to that)
+ If patching in music, the RD signal still came through just fine
+ Audio gives me the alert on what band it is.
- can't just use a reverse-Y cable or you get a little buzz-feedback (at least I did)
-/+ I compared audio mixers and bought some no-brand thing off eBay...but it did work.
- Many of the brand-audio mixers cost a bit

Arrows
I never got in the habit of arrows in the car either.
On the bike, when I get an alert with the H.A.R.D., I take once glance at the RD (maybe) to see what the deal is.
Now that I use audio-only, I get the frequency info via audio and I don't bother looking at the RD during an alert as I'm a bit busy to go looking all the way down there and read the display.
Maybe if I ever took a sip of the V1-KoolAid, I might rethink this.

Controls
Hands are always gloved. So any button-pushing has to happen with gloves. Having the RD securely mounted helps immensely and I haven't had difficulty muting the RD on the fly or adjusting volume, etc.

Size
The Escort 9500-series was just too long to fit in the fairing and still allow me to see the gauges. Going to a stubbier RX65 (at the time) helped. But then again, I'm tall and that slight difference helped on the visual angle with my bike setup.

Water
When planning a ride with rain clouds out (which is an ordeal), I simply didn't hook up the RD.
One time out of Flagstaff, I got a sudden cloudburst. It took about 2min to get under an overpass, but the RX65 S7 already blanked out half of the display by then. Had to send it in for a fee and got it all refurbished.
I looked at the motorcycle-specific RD's, but stayed with Belscort.



Me on vacation in Colorado on a big horseshoe corner
(the PSL+ number was...ah...more than that truck in the background)
Used a H.A.R.D. for the entire trip connected to the RX65 S7 (worked most excellent!)
The blue tube is water to the Camelbak under the jacket
That was an excellent day as part of an 8-day trip *smiles*
Packing 8-days of everything into tiny little bags ain't no small feat either...heh
vfr_co10k_horseshoe_corner.jpg
 
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Depends on how you have things setup.

Is audio paired to the car? Is the Radio listening on Bluetooth? OR Do you have HFP enabled.

There are a few options and if you set them to not match what your doing on the car radio then you can hear nothing.

With a Sena (BT Helmet) you probably are always streaming Bluetooth. So any sound the phone makes you get on the headset and HFP should be off.

With a Car you are more likely to choose other sources on the Radio like (FM, SD, USB, XM). If you do use other sources you want to enable HFP and the car will switch to the Alert when it comes in, just like a Phone Call would.

If you have Audio Paired, HFP Off and not Listening to Bluetooth on the Radio, you will get no sound on the phone or car during an alert.

I have my phone paired to a bluetooth adapter that plugs into the AUX port for my stereo.

I listen to Pandora streamed from my phone or Overdrive streamed from my phone, both are continuous audio. I have one drive paired to the phone.

I have HFP off.

I have tried ducking on and off, I prefer on.

Sometimes it will duck and not alert.

Very often the display is lit up and the V1 is beeping while the phone isnt even ducking let alone sending audio through the stereo.

Less frequently I get alerts through the stereo.
 
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What is volume set to in V1Driver?

You're saying it works sometimes?
 

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The volume is 10.
And yes it works sometimes.
I suspect that V1driver is muting many alerts that the V1 is letting through. In either case the V1 display is very busy in town and V1driver is very quiet. A little too quiet. I wish I had a Ka source to test this against because all the K source speed signs get my speed before I get an alert.
I noticed the other day while changing profiles that my Bluetooth dongle might not be getting a clean connection with the phone. I was having trouble changing profiles until I held the dongle into a line of site with the phone. I havent had the time to make an adjustment to the mounting location yet.
 

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I faced similar challenges. Finally settled on passport Max 2 mounted on handlebar. I use the escort live app to connect to the phone also mounted on the handlebar. Rd connects to the phone, phone to the sena. I turn Rd volume off (embarrassing at intersection) and receive all alerts through sena. Escort live lowers music announces alert and goes back to music. Keep phone on escort map to track the activity in area for last 30 minutes

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The volume is 10.
And yes it works sometimes.
I suspect that V1driver is muting many alerts that the V1 is letting through. In either case the V1 display is very busy in town and V1driver is very quiet. A little too quiet. I wish I had a Ka source to test this against because all the K source speed signs get my speed before I get an alert.
I noticed the other day while changing profiles that my Bluetooth dongle might not be getting a clean connection with the phone. I was having trouble changing profiles until I held the dongle into a line of site with the phone. I havent had the time to make an adjustment to the mounting location yet.
It's normal in the city for V1 Display to be going while V1Driver keeps everything quiet. But V1Driver should still always be showing that activity.

I just released a new version of V1Driver that can tell you Bluetooth Strength in real time and send you notifications (off by default) if it drops below your desired threshold.
It's very helpful in helping placement of the dongle.

I have noticed that the blue light on the dongle facing AWAY from the phone gives a stronger signal. But every environment is different.

It's normal for the Bluetooth strength to drop low occasionally, but it should come right back. I might add more smoothing or a minimum amount of time that it must be low before sending a notification (i.e. debouncing).
 
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Yes, much better with the dongle re-positioned.
And now that I have that figured out I will see how it all works with just Ka and custom sweeps. The map shows that K band is not a threat near me.
 

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I have been driving for about 25 years and I have seen an officer pull over a motorcycle twice in that period. Yet I have seen countless motorcycles speeding. Is it just me or is it uncommon for motorcyclists to get ticketed?
 

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[MENTION=11273]ptatohed[/MENTION] I have been pulled over 5 times in about 25 years on a motorcycle. Two of those stops resulting in citations and three in warnings. That's not bad considering I've only had counter measures on my bike for the last year and the spirited pace I have ridden at for most of those years. Within the last couple of years I have backed off a bit, more for safety then concerns of tickets.


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I should add that I've since switch to a NetRadar unit on the bike for the following reasons:

1. My startup/shutdown setup sequence on the bike which included installing/removing the V1 took too long. Removing this step cut the sequence in half.
2. This goes to #1; I don't have to worry about theft and therefor need to remove the RD each time I leave the bike.
3. The V1 is not weather proof; just after installing the NR, I got caught in a mother of a downpour. I may have had time to remove the V1 but now I don't need to worry about it.
4. Bluetooth audio over the SENA works (about the same) as V1Driver.
5. Lost the V1Driver's ability to lockout false alerts but the NR unit is very quiet.
6. NR's Ka performance seems excellent which is what I see in CT 99% of the time.
How is this unit for off-axis and are you able to use it as a standalone or do you need to have an AL-Priority unit as well? Sorry for the dumb questions, I'm a noob.
 

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How is this unit for off-axis and are you able to use it as a standalone or do you need to have an AL-Priority unit as well? Sorry for the dumb questions, I'm a noob.
Not 100% sure but I think at least one ALP parking sensor is required for NR use.

As far as performance goes, I'm sure there's a few in-depth tests the experts of this forum have run. Check out the Countermeasures Testing subforum for that. But for me, as long as I get a few seconds of warning before hitting the kill zone, I'm happy. NR will definitely provide that.
 

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I have a Redline built-in to a custom box in the front of my bike. I live in Canada where detectors are illegal, so being stealthy is of prime importance. I have it hardwired in and powered off my low-beam headlight wire with a special cord from Safe'n'Sound. I have audio coming thru a ground-loop isolator from Escort into Sensaphonic IEM's. ($750 ear buds). I also have a LED light mounted in my dash (part of the power cord) that confirms "power on", and it also flashes in unison with audio alerts. I have a nice small mute button (also part of the power cord) on the handlebars to mute an alert that I'm not interested in. The custom box enclosure is 100% waterproof so I never remove me Redline (bike washing, rain storms, etc). The box blends in well to the rest of the bike and looks like a factory set-up, therefore I park at restaurants, overnight @ hotels, bars, etc and never worry about theft. I see most other people's radar detector set-ups on their bikes and I shake my head...
 

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I have a Redline built-in to a custom box in the front of my bike. I live in Canada where detectors are illegal, so being stealthy is of prime importance. I have it hardwired in and powered off my low-beam headlight wire with a special cord from Safe'n'Sound. I have audio coming thru a ground-loop isolator from Escort into Sensaphonic IEM's. ($750 ear buds). I also have a LED light mounted in my dash (part of the power cord) that confirms "power on", and it also flashes in unison with audio alerts. I have a nice small mute button (also part of the power cord) on the handlebars to mute an alert that I'm not interested in. The custom box enclosure is 100% waterproof so I never remove me Redline (bike washing, rain storms, etc). The box blends in well to the rest of the bike and looks like a factory set-up, therefore I park at restaurants, overnight @ hotels, bars, etc and never worry about theft. I see most other people's radar detector set-ups on their bikes and I shake my head...

That's pretty cool!


So new users aren't confused I just wanted to expand on what you said regarding the legality of detectors in Canada. They are completely legal in British Columbia, Alberta, and Saskatchewan and illegal in every other province.
 

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I guess its time for an update.
The V1 has far less range in my tank bag than it did up high in my Element. In the canyons that means I dont get much warning of constant on radar coming the other way. The radar detector has a clean line of site out the front.
The audio coming through my Sena is problematic. I often miss the voice prompt so I have ordered the remote display so I will have directional information.
Luckily I live in an area with only Ka radar units because even with all the filters on K band is very noisy.
 

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I have been driving for about 25 years and I have seen an officer pull over a motorcycle twice in that period. Yet I have seen countless motorcycles speeding. Is it just me or is it uncommon for motorcyclists to get ticketed?
There's a few reasons; we're harder to detect at long range, we can hide behind other vehicles, we're generally much more alert than car drivers, we have better visibility, we can ride with a finger on the front brake all the time, and cops know they're unlikely to catch us in urban areas.
Lastly, a lot of car drivers think we're speeding even when we're not. They have no idea of the acceleration a bike is capable of. Mine's only 847cc and has recorded a 1/4 mile in 10.6 @ 212 km/h, and 100 km/h in 2.9 secs. Then there's the really quick ones.
 

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Bluetooth and an app are the greatest thing you can get for a motorcycle setup!! I run a DSP9200BT on my bike and I love it! I have a Sena headset and my phone bridges the alerts into my headset. I can look down at my phone and see what frequency it is as well. I did have some trouble with the detector going to sleep for a while but after shielding it from the bike I am getting great results! My only complaint is the Cobra app. It really sucks hard! I really wish the RPSE had Bluetooth so I could use that instead. I think radar detectors matter a lot less on sport bikes since it is very easy to evade police on them but it has saved me the trouble of running a lot! I have recommended this setup to a few friends and even scored a cheaper Iradar unit for my gf's bike($15) just to test against mine on my bike. Most of the time there is less than 1 second between our alerts and I paid 10x as much for my detector. However we live in a very very very flat state. Also since most riders don't ride in rain any ways so water proofing isn't that big of a deal.

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Unfortunately, the 10S (helmet) will only do one A2DP at a time which was the issue with using the SM10 to send the V1 alerts. If I have music streaming from the iPhone, I get no alerts from the V1. Without music playing, I can get alerts from the V1 and Waze since Waze can send prompt via HFP to the 10S. What I have noticed is when not using the V1 and just playing music and using Waze on the iPhone, Waze then switches to A2DP. I can tell this occurs because the music will lower in volume during a Waze prompt then come back up. So what I'm hoping for is the same behavior form the V1Driver app during a V1 alert. All 3 audio sources play nicely together during alerts/prompts. That would be the perfect solution.
The Cobra app does this while playing music. It will even alert everyone in my listening party.
 

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I have a Redline built-in to a custom box in the front of my bike. I live in Canada where detectors are illegal, so being stealthy is of prime importance. I have it hardwired in and powered off my low-beam headlight wire with a special cord from Safe'n'Sound. I have audio coming thru a ground-loop isolator from Escort into Sensaphonic IEM's. ($750 ear buds). I also have a LED light mounted in my dash (part of the power cord) that confirms "power on", and it also flashes in unison with audio alerts. I have a nice small mute button (also part of the power cord) on the handlebars to mute an alert that I'm not interested in. The custom box enclosure is 100% waterproof so I never remove me Redline (bike washing, rain storms, etc). The box blends in well to the rest of the bike and looks like a factory set-up, therefore I park at restaurants, overnight @ hotels, bars, etc and never worry about theft. I see most other people's radar detector set-ups on their bikes and I shake my head...
@atc250r Thanks for sharing. Any heat issues with the Redline enclosed like that or do you have vent holes on the box somewhere?
 

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@atc250r Thanks for sharing. Any heat issues with the Redline enclosed like that or do you have vent holes on the box somewhere?
Rob, the box is 100% Waterproof, yet I have 3 large vents in it. The vents are 1” diameter hole saw holes covered up with something called Frogskins. It’s a waterproof venting material that comes from the snowmobile industry. If you like, PM me your cell phone number and I could text/email you a video of my setup. It really is slick and seamless.
 

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