Escort 9500CI --The Hottest Unit I Have Ever Owned

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So we talked a lot about inconsistency in Belscort Units. Some are hot, some not so much. I have owned some really slouchy Escort Redlines, STIR Plus, Magnums, etc. Then I have had some good.

Well as many of you know Stinger didn't work out for me. I kept it a while and then some problems came up and my wife was really upset and it basically came down to keep my wife or keep the Stinger. I picked the wife. :D

Anyway, so I had boguht this used 9500ci that I never installed and was probably going to sell it off to help pay on the Stinger. I put it in my car temporarily and tested her. To my surprise she is the hottest unit I have ever own period . No questions ask. She clobbers my Redline on many encounters and puts everything else I have owned to shame. I would not doubt that it would have even maybe beat my Stinger up and give it a run for it's money. (no pun)

Anyway what I would like to discuss in this thread is what exactly causes a hot unit to be hot? I am sure Nine can give us lots on insight on this.

I know the conclusion we have mostly drawn and it is correct IS well some units just have components that happen to work better together etc.

My question is what are those components. I know the wire bonded LNA is supposed to be better, and I am sure that could be some of it. But it's not all. My other 9500ci did NOT perform like this unit. This one I got from CL , and it's a 2009 model.

One thing I keep noticing is my hotter units tend to be the old ones. So could it be that the same parts are going in these units put perhaps their being made cheaper or not as meticulous as they were back then.

I am looking forward to hopefully showing later in some videos just how bad this thing really can beat my Redline.

And keep in mind... My Redline was one of the 3 that alerted on the longest distance spot in Openroads testing. It is a hot Redline. This particular Redline was beating my Stinger at times.

But it's no match for this hot 9500ci. Given, it is on the roof, but i have many other units on that roof that could not beat the Redline consistently.

Here she is, .

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Everything you own at the time is the "hottest" and "bestest" unit out.
 

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Everything you own at the time is the "hottest" and "bestest" unit out.
Tell you what Rags you send me your V1 or Redline whatever and if it beats this unit I'll buy your dinner.

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I'll send you 50 bucks to buy you a nice steak dinner. :p
 
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LMAO. You are the most undecided user of all time. One week it's the V1 that's the best of all. Next week it's a Redline. Then it's a Stinger. Then a Redline. Then it's a 9500CI. You crack me up, dude!
 

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LMAO. You are the most undecided user of all time. One week it's the V1 that's the best of all. Next week it's a Redline. Then it's a Stinger. Then a Redline. Then it's a 9500CI. You crack me up, dude!
Well somebody make me a banner for the most undecided user of all time. I'll accept that title. :)

I move stuff around I trade I experiment all for that ULTIMATE range system. And I love every second of it. I'm such a nerd...... lol

But you can say what you want I believe this unit has the best range of any I have owned.


I can't wait for the Radenso Remote Unit to be release. :laugh:
 
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Oh, don't take it as criticism. I have the same problem. This hobby is expensive. Lots of hiding and "explaining" to the wife. Luckily I am a trusted installer of electronics here so I get to play with some of these things and test them out prior to me plopping down cash for them.

The 9500CI is a great unit no doubt. Especially since it was hacked to get BS/RDR options. My main issue with it is the bundling of sub-par laser protection without the ability to just purchase the radar unit. Kind of stupid IMHO.

I wouldn't doubt you have a great performing 9500CI. Every single one I have tested has been solid. My Redline is also a hot unit, it outperforms every other Redline I have used thus far...and every 9500CI thus far. Which brings up an important point....M3 variation. It's incredible the amount of variation I see between M3's in performance. They are a VERY fickle detector. Although...even the worst performing BS/RDR M3's are superior to most all other detectors out there. I am still waiting to get my hands on a stinger, so that will have to wait. Word has it I will have one to install in a couple of months. I can't wait.
 

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Oh, don't take it as criticism. I have the same problem. This hobby is expensive. Lots of hiding and "explaining" to the wife. Luckily I am a trusted installer of electronics here so I get to play with some of these things and test them out prior to me plopping down cash for them.

The 9500CI is a great unit no doubt. Especially since it was hacked to get BS/RDR options. My main issue with it is the bundling of sub-par laser protection without the ability to just purchase the radar unit. Kind of stupid IMHO.

I wouldn't doubt you have a great performing 9500CI. Every single one I have tested has been solid. My Redline is also a hot unit, it outperforms every other Redline I have used thus far...and every 9500CI thus far. Which brings up an important point....M3 variation. It's incredible the amount of variation I see between M3's in performance. They are a VERY fickle detector. Although...even the worst performing BS/RDR M3's are superior to most all other detectors out there. I am still waiting to get my hands on a stinger, so that will have to wait. Word has it I will have one to install in a couple of months. I can't wait.
The Stingers a good unit. It's just a huge investment and my wife and I had a large disagreement about it and I asked Cliff to take it back.

Now as you say the laser is worthless. That's why I like to find a cheaper used unit and go with that. I wouldn't think about buying this unit new.

I don't take it as criticism at all Rags. You're actually exactly right about me. I love to trade and try new things. Next week if I find something that beats this unit then I'll come on and say it's now the best and then you can rig me some more and the cycle is endless. :p


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Yeah, don't take the ribbing too seriously Kasher. If I've bought one particular model and liked it, I've sold and bought it again half a dozen times.:p Same with quite a few radar units. It's easy to overstretch the budget when you desire perfection.;)

And yes, there is alot more than just the LNA that have an effect on overall sensitivity in the M3. The mixer diode itself, the LOs in all three stages and the FM detector circuit......every part plays a critical role, and last but not least the firmware. Individual components change over time due to vendor changes and other factors which require tweaks to the firmware. It's very apparent in detectors like the V1 that display their firmware versions but perhaps not so apparent in the M3s.

All that aside, apples to apples no two are exactly alike and the swing can easily be as much as 2-3 db on any given band which is quite significant. I had one RedLine that couldn't match my old RX65/S7 on a particular 34.7 source......needless to say that went back. And I've had at least two supernatural RedLines that defied the laws of signal propogation....and a V1 that was really hot for about the 1st year but tailed off dramatically.

It's just this simple, when you get a hot unit HANG ONTO IT!
 
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How much did you pay for the Stinger if you don't mind me asking!

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Yeah, don't take the ribbing too seriously Kasher. If I've bought one particular model and liked it, I've sold and bought it again half a dozen times.:p Same with quite a few radar units. It's easy to overstretch the budget when you desire perfection.;)

And yes, there is alot more than just the LNA that have an effect on overall sensitivity in the M3. The mixer diode itself, the LOs in all three stages and the FM detector circuit......every part plays a critical role, and last but not least the firmware. Individual components change over time due to vendor changes and other factors which require tweaks to the firmware. It's very apparent in detectors like the V1 that display their firmware versions but perhaps not so apparent in the M3s.

All that aside, apples to apples no two are exactly alike and the swing can easily be as much as 2-3 db on any given band which is quite significant. I had one RedLine that couldn't match my old RX65/S7 on a particular 34.7 source......needless to say that went back. And I've had at least two supernatural RedLines that defied the laws of signal propogation....and a V1 that was really hot for about the 1st year but tailed off dramatically.

It's just this simple, when you get a hot unit HANG ONTO IT!
so basically your saying each unit can vary Dramatically even though its the same exact hardware/firmware?? That's a huge disappointment. How is that even possible? Ive never heard of that before, one being a "hot" unit.
 

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How much did you pay for the Stinger if you don't mind me asking!

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so basically your saying each unit can vary Dramatically even though its the same exact hardware/firmware?? That's a huge disappointment. How is that even possible? Ive never heard of that before, one being a "hot" unit.
That's called manufacturing variance and it's been quoted as anywhere from a 10% to 30% effect. And I can attest to that. I've had a Redline that kept within tens of feet from a Max/Max2, which was mystically upgraded to a Redline that pulls large margins away from a Max after approaching Escort with the evidence. It wasn't until the OpenRoad stew test that I realized my old Redline did not act like the other Redlines being tested.

It's difficult to determine when you got a hot unit but it indeed is a lottery. If you got an exceptionally hot unit, hang onto it. But don't forget when handing out recommendations that not everyone's units will behave like yours.
 

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I think you could test 10 Redlines, 10 STIR+ and 10 9500ci and you would find that they would overlap in performance. I had a STIR+ in my Denali that consistently beat my hot Redline by 2 seconds. There's definitely a lot of different variables.
 

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I think it's all that heavy water corrosion that made your CL unit so hot...

Where can I find a limited edition Katrina model 9500ci?
 

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I think it's all that heavy water corrosion that made your CL unit so hot...

Where can I find a limited edition Katrina model 9500ci?
Yeah that's probably it man I never thought of that. That corrosion probably soaked in the off axis signals better.

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You should install electrical conduit(s) in your vehicles to facilitate quick wiring changes :p
I have done it so much that I can cut, strip, and splice in like nobodies business. :D
 

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Im going to try to copy your install when the Net Digital comes out...how did you
1. mount it?
2. run the wire into the car?

I would go on one of the side bars though:

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Thread necro lol
 

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KASHER1979, how do you weather proof your roof mounts?
 

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First you really need a cross bar so you have install in underneath that. I don't really have to do anything to weather proof the radar receivers because they are already designed to be weather proof. But obvioulsy you couldn't put a Wind Shield detector up there.
 

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First you really need a cross bar so you have install in underneath that. I don't really have to do anything to weather proof the radar receivers because they are already designed to be weather proof. But obvioulsy you couldn't put a Wind Shield detector up there.
probably didnt see my post on your original install thread...would it work mounted to the siderail? and how do you run the wire into your car - just through the door?
 

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