Sept 2015 RD Testing: Stinger VIP, Cobra DSP, Radenso Pro SE, etc.

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So as many of you know, I did another RD test last week with the help of many of you guys. It always takes more time than I'd wish to get the results up online and since I'm going out of town this weekend, I wanted to go ahead and post the results I have available so far (thank you SO MUCH @jnez367 for helping put the maps together!).

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Radar Detectors:
Stinger VIP 3.3.08 HD 6.0.8: @Stinger (Test unit courtesy of Cliff at Stinger)
Escort Redline: @joehemi
V1 3.8945: @Vortex
Max 1.10: @CobawLT2010
Radenso Pro US7: @Hügel66 (Test unit courtesy of Radenso)
Radenso Pro SE US7: @Hügel66 (Development unit courtesy of Radenso)
Uniden LRD950 1.48: @BestRadarDetectors (Retail test unit)
RX65 M4: @kdo2milger
Cobra DSP9200BT: Retail unit from Amazon
Cobra SPX7800BT: @BestRadarDetectors (Retail test unit)

Radar Guns:
MPH Bee III (33.8)
Stalker II (34.7)
Decatur Genesis II (35.5)
Kustom Raptor RP-1 (K band)

33.8 Test Results RPSE.jpg


34.7 Test Results RPSE.jpg


35.5 Test Results RPSE.jpg


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Note: Results fixed 10-12-15.

and here's a couple quick notes.

The Stinger VIP was domination station. It clobbered everyone, on every band, practically every time. That thing is a monster. There were times when I got so much more range than any other detector that I had to stop the run, double back, and start farther away because it had alerted as soon I started a normal run. Amazing stuff.

The only thing that managed to outrange the Stinger at some point was the new Radenso Pro SE on K band. Pretty amazing considering how the Radenso Pro used to suck on K band. With the tweaks that Radenso has made since then plus the addition of the LNA in the Radenso Pro SE, this thing is now a top tier windshield mount radar detector as well. Fantastic...

The new Cobra DSP 9200 BT did a surprisingly good job as you can see. For the first time we may actually have a well performing Cobra on our hands.

There was definitely some run-to-run variation that I can't account for. Look at the 34.7 runs, for example. You'll see a fantastic and a good set of runs for the Redline and a good and a terrible set of runs for the Max. When I got that lousy Max run I was like "crap, now everyone's gonna think I'm picking on the Max." :p That was one specifically chosen to change things up that we know is up to par. Either way, I'm not sure why I saw variations like that. Traffic was very minimal and the weather was good. The videos at the end of this post on will show the entirety of every run from both the perspective of the detector and the radar gun so you can see everything I saw. It's because of this weirdness that you'll see multiple runs of some detectors. Either way, due to the run-to-run variation, I can't say that these results are iron clad as I would wish. They're data points to consider when looking at multiple test results from multiple independent testers.

I had all the firmware update software loaded up on my laptop but I forgot my laptop at home so I couldn't switch between 1.35 and 1.48 on the LRD950 on site. I had 1.48 already loaded (hooray!) so that's what I ran. The range drop was minimal on the unit but I suspect that's primarily a course limitation. If the signal appears suddenly and there's no brief whiffs earlier on, all you'll get is a momentary delay and the detector will alert, so no big range differences.

The new Cobra works best on Highway mode. Enabling City mode or CityMax definitely reduces K band detection range.

That's the main gist of the test results. Here's the video of the actual runs.

I gotta go out of town and I ran out of time before I could get everything juuuuust right, but this should do the job.

The 35.5 and K band runs feature the Radenso Pro SE. I haven't had a chance to redo the 33.8 and 34.7 ones yet to add those in. The titles only show 9 detectors since I was originally putting this together before the SE was announced. I gotta redo those too. :pSo other than little things like that which I'll take care of when I get back from my next trip, here's the videos from all the runs. You'll see the radar gun's perspective as well. I somehow messed up pressing the button on the radar gun camera so I don't have footage of the Raptor RP-1 on K band. Oh well.

In these videos I've sped up my drive to the main detection zone as needed but I leave the entire encounter for you to see so you can see things like if a detector picks the signal up and drops it, the quality of the rampup, if traffic is interfering with the detection, which detectors gave me issues with suction cups not sticking, why I chose to rerun some detectors, and so forth. The runs are all shown in the order in which they were run. There's a lot of cool stuff to glean from watching the actual encounters. :)

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Again, a MASSIVE thank you to everyone who helped... @joehemi for again coming down and manning the radar car during the marathon of test runs, @jnez367 for helping put the result maps together for me, and everyone who sent in radar detectors for testing! This is possible thanks to the awesome community here and I really grateful for everyone's help! :)
 

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Re: Sept 2015 RD Testing: Stinger VIP, Cobra DSP, etc.

Very impressive results from the Stinger VIP -- I am confident if you had tested this 3 months ago, it would not have done this well. The Stinger VIP absolutely came alive after the 3.3 update, and I'm really excited how this platform will improve in the future.

The variations are interesting to see. It's especially interesting to see how the Stinger, which doesn't have terribly good reactivity, still ruled in extreme distance detections, sometimes beating the other detectors by a terrain change. That's eye opening and either questions our theory of how seeing quick blips/reflections of signals impacts detection, or means if Stinger improves their reactivity we might see even better results from it.

Some of the variance from the Redline and Max is downright scary. And I've seen similar things in my tests too -- especially the custom swept V1 and the BS/RDR Redline -- on some runs it's crazy hot and on other runs you wonder if it's even working properly.

BTW, I'm glad you saw minor differences between the alert bias settings on the Stinger. To be honest after v3.3 I've had a tough time spotting the difference anymore.
 
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Re: Sept 2015 RD Testing: Stinger VIP, Cobra DSP, etc.

Thanks Vortex! This must have been a lot of work. Also, I really like the way you showed where each alerted on the map. Very cool and much easier to visualize the differences!

Out of curiosity, why no Stinger test on 35.5? Just ran out of time I'm assuming?
 
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Re: Sept 2015 RD Testing: Stinger VIP, Cobra DSP, etc.

Why no Stinger results on 35.5? Edit: GoDuke beat me to it.

Also, why the funny colors on the K band map?
 
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Re: Sept 2015 RD Testing: Stinger VIP, Cobra DSP, etc.

Some of the variance from the Redline and Max is downright scary. And I've seen similar things in my tests too -- especially the custom swept V1 and the BS/RDR Redline -- on some runs it's crazy hot and on other runs you wonder if it's even working properly..
No kidding. Seeing results like that make me go back and question everything. What variables am I not seeing?

This also casts some doubt as to whether a detector really is strong/weak on a certain band, especially when you have only one run to go by. Doing more runs certainly makes sense, but it's a balance with how much time you have.

Either way, it's why I still don't thing any one test is totally definitive. Multiple detectors, courses, runs, etc. Any funkiness will average out over time and then we'll get a better idea of the big picture.
 

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Re: Sept 2015 RD Testing: Stinger VIP, Cobra DSP, etc.

Great work as always, Vortex! To me the key takeaway is how impressive the Redline remains against a detector several orders of magnitude its price. Although I'm of the opinion that sensitivity is not the next great innovation in RDs. Rather, filtering is the frontier that RDs must now battle for dominance, and to that end the Stinger is the clear winner.

I hope to continue to see stinger dominate, and hopefully translate that domination to a windsheild-mount unit. It's not until Stinger is playing in the same space that VR and CobBelScort will take notice and be forced to compete.

A really good showing from the Cobra DSP too - apparently gone are the days of grouping all Cobras into the "junk detectors" category - which I'm frankly all in favor of, (PS did you have a chance to test leakage on the DSP yet?).

Thanks again for the hard work and dedication. It is appreciated!
 

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Re: Sept 2015 RD Testing: Stinger VIP, Cobra DSP, etc.

Pointercone asked me months ago if I felt the Stinger was the ultimate detector. When I told him yes, I don't think him or many of yous believed me :). No biggie though as I figured it would be a matter of time before you guys all came to realization I wasn't making it all up. I'm happy you guys are slowly now coming to the realization I wasn't making that up!

Now you can all see why I sold My StiRO!

I can tell you from my many hours of testing is that on 35.5 is when the VIP really shows who's the boss!!! And to think this was the frequency is was speculated to work the worst on :) curious to see what Vortex reports shows.



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Re: Sept 2015 RD Testing: Stinger VIP, Cobra DSP, etc.

I am always in the search for a course I can continually reuse and am jealous you have one.

I still don't believe that Cobra on 35.5 though. ;)
 

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Re: Sept 2015 RD Testing: Stinger VIP, Cobra DSP, etc.

@Vortex -there seems to be quite a bit of variation for some RDs from your results from May. On K band, I understand it's a different gun, but weren't the Ka guns all the same? Were they positioned differently this time? Or were conditions that different this time? Or were they different individual units of the same RD?
 
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Re: Sept 2015 RD Testing: Stinger VIP, Cobra DSP, etc.

The guns were actually aimed differently. If you notice in the last test's videos the guns couldn't clock cars when they were driving by close. That's because I aimed the radar guns down range a bit (to the right) last time to get more range out of the detectors. This time I aimed them to the left a bit (aimed at the same spot with each gun) which did indeed reduce range and make the test tougher this round. Plus that have me something different to test so I didn't just repeat the same test over again. :)
 

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Re: Sept 2015 RD Testing: Stinger VIP, Cobra DSP, etc.

How did the Radenso do on 35.5? I don't find the results
 

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Re: Sept 2015 RD Testing: Stinger VIP, Cobra DSP, etc.

Question? Try something? Could someone with absorption material loan these guys a piece or two to reduce the strong radar signal for this test range? I'm wondering if this short test range is showing mostly off-axis performance (edge of the radar)? Don't get me wrong, this test range gives some good indications how a certain model should or might need to perform against each other and is a very tough course indeed. With RDs at the edge of distance -db detection, better triggering off of the noise floor, faster re-scans, and endless other tech improvements, the horn design on this course may favor a certain model or two. I'm just wondering if a comparison heads-on test would show anything different in the RD line up? Because the Max is not doing what it is suppose to do, super distance by better design. Plus, some models are more and less focused (blind spots) than others which may show flaws looking outward unlike the RL....
 

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Re: Sept 2015 RD Testing: Stinger VIP, Cobra DSP, etc.

How did the Radenso do on 35.5? I don't find the results
Please treat this as unofficial until @Vortex can confirm. The Radenso Pro was in a cluster with a run from the Cobra DSP, Redline, V1, RX65(M4), Max, and LRD950. This cluster is on the property line of the last house on the right before the turnout. This is an area designated the orange zone on other maps. Within this cluster, I believe the Radenso and Redline alerted earliest(near the driveway), but the cluster is tight. If you are familiar with course from previous videos , this cluster is near the double garage with the double doghouse dormers. Almost all alerts in this cluster are within the property lines of this house.
 

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Sept 2015 RD Testing: Stinger VIP, Cobra DSP, etc.

Like I said, Stinger is the Boss of 35.5 baabyyy!

Wait til focus is retrained to further dial in radar :hihi:




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---------- Post added at 08:07 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:03 AM ----------

And you call Redline 'The King' *tisk*. Stinger rulz!


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Re: Sept 2015 RD Testing: Stinger VIP, Cobra DSP, etc.

Well this goes to show Stinger is bitchslaping Escort, Valentine One and all the others in everything.

After Stingers arrival, all the others look like tiny elfs trying to outrun a giant.

If the thing weren't so damn expensive...

---------- Post added at 08:22 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:20 AM ----------

Like I said, Stinger is the Boss of 35.5 baabyyy!

Wait til focus is retrained to further dial in radar :hihi:




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---------- Post added at 08:07 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:03 AM ----------

And you call Redline 'The King' *tisk*. Stinger rulz!


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The Redline is the king of windshield detectors. The king for remotes was the O but got its ass spanked by Stinger and it sure is a damn fine king. Expensive one too...
 

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Sept 2015 RD Testing: Stinger VIP, Cobra DSP, etc.

Everyone's in shock since they probably still can't believe what they're reading! I've been saying for a while now that the Stinger VIP is a Beast! Most seeing their beloved Rodenso, V1 or whatever else that they think is 'awesome' gets as you say ' bitched slapped' is a bit much to handle.

Regarding the Redline- I guess if you wanted to find some sort of justification to make it seem like the RL still has its place ...sure :) I've got my Stinger VIP on the windshield, so I see things a little differently :)


The VIP is only gonna get better.....it's only at 50% beast mode...





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Re: Sept 2015 RD Testing: Stinger VIP, Cobra DSP, etc.

Just want to echo what jdong and Vortex have found on variance on the same test course running the same detector on multiple runs.

Sometimes the same detector running the same settings will provide significantly different results where you would think that the results be a very close cluster. Maybe it would average out doing hundreds of runs but when doing 2 or 3 runs per detector the variance can be alarming and cause you to question your own results.

One thing I've noticed in my tests is that if the radar gun is battery powered the longer the test goes on the less distance the detection between runs. I try to create a baseline by establishing where maximum detection is about every 30 minutes and over time it diminishes. This effectively means that a radar detector that gets the first few runs may outperform another detector unless you re-establish the baseline to confirm that the earlier detector still is detecting at that distance (and because of variance that could mean multiple runs).

All this may not even apply if you don't rely on battery power, have someone to man the radar gun in between runs, or have a stronger set of batteries.
 
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Re: Sept 2015 RD Testing: Stinger VIP, Cobra DSP, etc.

Regarding the Redline- I guess if you wanted to find some sort of justification to make it seem like the RL still has its place ...sure :) I've got my Stinger VIP on the windshield, so I see things a little differently :)


The VIP is only gonna get better.....it's only at 50% beast mode...





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I'm not saying the VIP can't be placed in the windshield. But its usage is intended as a remote detector. We have always crown two kings. The Redline for the windshield and the STI-R O as a remote. Now one of those kingdoms have fallen under a new king: The Stinger VIP spanking the O.

I sure hope your VIP gets better in the future, for the amount it is worth, I sure should get better.

As for the portable windshield solution, The Redline is still the king. You may put your remote in the roof if you want, but it is still a remote and certainly not portable. You are comparing two cars from different categories.
 
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