GA LIDAR Test Results (Aug 30, 2015) (1 Viewer)

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We continue to see the Dragon Eye expose anything other than a perfect install. Additionally, we ran into issues on two runs where extremely heavy rain produced false readings, those runs have been excluded from the below report. We once again saw that, although easier than the Dragon, the Truespeed S is still a formidable gun, able to punch through one user's ALP Quad in a few cases.

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8-30 test results.JPG

Huge thanks to GA Speed as usual!

-Blake
 
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Great time like always getting together.
 

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What's up with those far out IPT's? It's really hard to imagine the install being so off, but yet still be able to produce fantastic JFG/JTG for most of the guns only to be no good for the DET or TSS.


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What's up with those far out IPT's? It's really hard to imagine the install being so off, but yet still be able to produce fantastic JFG/JTG for most of the guns only to be no good for the DET or TSS.


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ALP responds differently to DET than other guns. That's all I'll say in a public part of the forum.
 

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ALP responds differently to DET than other guns. That's all I'll say in a public part of the forum.
It's just unusual is all, but I guess it's just a matter of straightening out the heads even more perfectly and connecting the sensors in the correct order. Seems simple enough.


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Notable are the differences over the years as ALP has captured the market. We used to see PTs at range on Blinders and LIs on some guns in tests like these. Solid JTG/JFG blocks on lots of vehicles are kudos to ALP.
 

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What's up with those far out IPT's? It's really hard to imagine the install being so off, but yet still be able to produce fantastic JFG/JTG for most of the guns only to be no good for the DET or TSS.


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What's DET and TSS? Just curious?
 

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What's DET and TSS? Just curious?
DET: Dragon Eye Technology (Compact Model)
TSS: Truespeed S

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Notable are the differences over the years as ALP has captured the market. We used to see PTs at range on Blinders and LIs on some guns in tests like these. Solid JTG/JFG blocks on lots of vehicles are kudos to ALP.
Very true. Many of these members have run against the gun 2 or more times and have had time to learn from their results and come back. This is my third time fighting the DET and I still don't have it beat.

Just goes to show that under no circumstances should anyone ever assume their installation is good without testing it.

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Sorry I missed it guys.

Looks like a bloodbath on the Compact as usual.
You were missed for sure!
 

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Just to sanity check, is the "Speed Laser" the MPH SpeedLaser (looks like a Laser Atlanta rebrand), or the DragonEye Speed LIDAR (ECCM)?

I presume the gun represented as "DALA" is the well-known variant that all the big name jammers can handle?
 

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It was good to see all the familiar faces and meeting new ones!


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Just to sanity check, is the "Speed Laser" the MPH SpeedLaser (looks like a Laser Atlanta rebrand), or the DragonEye Speed LIDAR (ECCM)?

I presume the gun represented as "DALA" is the well-known variant that all the big name jammers can handle?
Speed Laser is the laser Atlanta. NOT Dragon Eye. DALA is the full size Digital Ally Laser Ally. Not one of the newer Dragon Eye Technology units in the same body.

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Congrats on the results man! That install is dialed in.
 

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Speed Laser is the laser Atlanta. NOT Dragon Eye. DALA is the full size Digital Ally Laser Ally. Not one of the newer Dragon Eye Technology units in the same body.
Thanks! That makes sense :)
 

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Speed Laser is the laser Atlanta. NOT Dragon Eye. DALA is the full size Digital Ally Laser Ally. Not one of the newer Dragon Eye Technology units in the same body.

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Congrats on the results man! That install is dialed in.
Thanks man! It's been a long time coming. GA Speed and vouch lol.


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I don't yet have ALPs, (still saving up) but it's just a little discouraging to see even the knowledgable folks on this forum still having issues with the DET which is what is in use in my area. It seems anything less than an absolutely perfect install and it's IPT or at least PT at some distance. The good results on the less lethal guns don't mean a lot to me since those aren't what I typically see.
Thanks for the testing - without it jammers are just a false sense of security it seems. I know these events must be a huge amount of work and are obviously a necessity.
 

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I don't yet have ALPs, (still saving up) but it's just a little discouraging to see even the knowledgable folks on this forum still having issues with the DET which is what is in use in my area. It seems anything less than an absolutely perfect install and it's IPT or at least PT at some distance. The good results on the less lethal guns don't mean a lot to me since those aren't what I typically see.
Thanks for the testing - without it jammers are just a false sense of security it seems. I know these events must be a huge amount of work and are obviously a necessity.
You're right that the dragon will reveal anything other than a perfect install, however PTs do not mean that an install is useless against the dragon. Our run on this course takes about 50 seconds (guessing). My install, for example, had a longest distance PT of 500 feet. That means that I jammed the dragon for a good 35 seconds before he got a speed reading. In real world terms, I think many of the cars that got PTs would have been able to nosedive and JTK to avoid a ticket. Now, IPTs will get you screwed, but that's why we test.

Keep in mind that the only IPTs we saw today were on quad systems (not recommended against the dragon) and a minivan with a huge rear-area to protect with only 2 heads.
 

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I don't yet have ALPs, (still saving up) but it's just a little discouraging to see even the knowledgable folks on this forum still having issues with the DET which is what is in use in my area. It seems anything less than an absolutely perfect install and it's IPT or at least PT at some distance. The good results on the less lethal guns don't mean a lot to me since those aren't what I typically see.
Thanks for the testing - without it jammers are just a false sense of security it seems. I know these events must be a huge amount of work and are obviously a necessity.
You're right that the dragon will reveal anything other than a perfect install, however PTs do not mean that an install is useless against the dragon. Our run on this course takes about 50 seconds (guessing). My install, for example, had a longest distance PT of 500 feet. That means that I jammed the dragon for a good 35 seconds before he got a speed reading. In real world terms, I think many of the cars that got PTs would have been able to nosedive and JTK to avoid a ticket. Now, IPTs will get you screwed, but that's why we test.

Keep in mind that the only IPTs we saw today were on quad systems (not recommended against the dragon) and a minivan with a huge rear-area to protect with only 2 heads.

I think there's a lot of parallels to be drawn between this and ~2 years ago before ALP showed up and LI/Blinder were top contenders: https://www.rdforum.org/showthread.php?t=22058

Back then, the Truspeed and Truspeed S were the new kids on the block, and you needed a really solid install to have a shot at JTG, and some non-JTG results were considered fine for the real world because it would've given you enough time to slow down. And the LRB was the relatively simple gun that almost everyone can jam.

Today, that battle is between the ALP and the DET Compact / DESL. It looks like you can just slap 2 or 3 ALP heads onto a reasonably sized car, eyeball the alignment, and have a reasonable expectation that it'll work against almost all the non-ECCM guns on the market (with the exception of the TSS to some extent). But the DET/DESL are not forgiving!
 

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You're right that the dragon will reveal anything other than a perfect install, however PTs do not mean that an install is useless against the dragon. Our run on this course takes about 50 seconds (guessing). My install, for example, had a longest distance PT of 500 feet. That means that I jammed the dragon for a good 35 seconds before he got a speed reading. In real world terms, I think many of the cars that got PTs would have been able to nosedive and JTK to avoid a ticket. Now, IPTs will get you screwed, but that's why we test.

Keep in mind that the only IPTs we saw today were on quad systems (not recommended against the dragon) and a minivan with a huge rear-area to protect with only 2 heads.
Thank you for the clarification notblake, I wasn't interpreting the test results correctly. I understand what you mean by real world protection since there would have been ample time to slow to PSL and JTK. It's really IPT that's deadly if I understand you correctly.
 

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the only IPTs we saw today were on quad systems (not recommended against the dragon) and a minivan with a huge rear-area to protect with only 2 heads.
Why is anyone running a Quad on any front end. We have made it clear that you can't mix front and rear ports on one side of a car. Even the largest trucks we have tested with 3 heads perform excellent, there is absolutely no reason to put 4 heads on any side of a vehicle.
 

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