Let that Puppy Breathe and why to never trust an "installer"

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For a long time, I have been disappointed with the performance of the 9500 ci (build date 23/11) in the Roush. I've known for a long time that the install location was not good (too low and behind too much bumper and plastic). For this very reason, I always ran either a Max or the Redline in the car because I did not trust the ci. When ER introduced BSRDR for the Ci in December, I was one of many who were pretty excited about the firmware. I thought this would cure my ci ills ,but alas I did not. So, when I updated the unit, it still lagged behind my Max and/or Redline in performance. Well, I FINALLY got around to moving the receiver/horn from where the original installer had placed it which was behind both the stock Mustang lower bumper and Roush splitter. Not only had they secured it with the stock clamps, they had also double-sided the bottom to the lower bumper and splitter. It was hell getting off.

Anyway, took it out for a spin and the results were amazing. No longer need a Max or Redline to back it up. So, yes, location does make a difference.
 

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I wish I could install mine like that.
 

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Once I get into my new house, with my nice garage, my STI-R+ is coming out and the 9500ci is going in :D
 

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things are rarely done to the standard they should be....... especially if the owner knows what is right :)
 

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Thanks for posting your experience. Good to hear your 9500ci isn't lagging behind the Max/Redline. I just got my 9500ci (not installed yet though) and was starting to worry with all the recent reports of people being disappointed with it. Just have to make sure it has a clear view.
 

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For a long time, I have been disappointed with the performance of the 9500 ci (build date 23/11) in the Roush. I've known for a long time that the install location was not good (too low and behind too much bumper and plastic). For this very reason, I always ran either a Max or the Redline in the car because I did not trust the ci. When ER introduced BSRDR for the Ci in December, I was one of many who were pretty excited about the firmware. I thought this would cure my ci ills ,but alas I did not. So, when I updated the unit, it still lagged behind my Max and/or Redline in performance. Well, I FINALLY got around to moving the receiver/horn from where the original installer had placed it which was behind both the stock Mustang lower bumper and Roush splitter. Not only had they secured it with the stock clamps, they had also double-sided the bottom to the lower bumper and splitter. It was hell getting off.

Anyway, took it out for a spin and the results were amazing. No longer need a Max or Redline to back it up. So, yes, location does make a difference.
If you want something done right. Do it yourself. Then try not to get to bothered when you f something up a little bit. Well the latter part is my typical experience. :p
 

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The photos are not great, but what I was trying to illustrate is that the original install(er) put it behind two pieces of body trim, the original lower spoiler and behind the added on splitter from Roush. No wonder the Ci was doing so poorly. Now with it out in the open, it's doing a lot better. Add the BSRDR firmware to that and it's a winner. Note anecdotally, the Ci is still not as good as the Stir-O nor the Redline BSRDR. More testing is warranted.
 

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Do you feel its the ci's heads construction vs the O, or the ci's computer...that causes less sensitivity..being they're both wire bonded..
 

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Do you feel its the ci's heads construction vs the O, or the ci's computer...that causes less sensitivity..being they're both wire bonded..
I have always thought that the ci SHOULD perform (operative word: should) like a Stir-O. Even with the BSRDR, it doesn't appear to do so. ITS better than it was prior to the BSRDR for sure. Again, more testing is warranted. I placed the horn/antenna outside the car and in the open like Protias did on his units.


What does pi#$ me off is that we all assume placement is optimized because its done by a "pro.", BUT like [MENTION=4770]alarmx[/MENTION] stated above, if you want it done right, do it yourself. Putting it behind two(2) pieces of plastic for even worse phase separation is worse than I expected. It literally took me three (3) hours and a LOT of prying off the double sided tape on the bottom of the horn with a flat blade to get it off without damaging anything. NOT a whole lot of thought put into it. Don't even get me started on the ZR-4 placements. :( I also learned that perhaps for some wiring expertise, 99% of us HERE can better place an ALP or a horn than the alleged "pros."
 

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If anyone remembers DJRams from the old days he had the same issue with the ci in his mustang. The receiver was behind the honeycomb grille and he ended up dremeling a hole in it so the ci could peek out. He noted a huge increase in performance.
 
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If anyone remembers DJRams from the old days he had the same issue with the ci in his mustang. The receiver was behind the honeycomb grille and he ended up dremeling a hole in it so the ci could peek out. He noted a huge increase in performance.
Yes, it was DJ that inspired me to do this. Thanks for the memories as I recall his frustration in his ci's performance (there was actually more to it as his was akin to sleeping beauty II) . Now that the ci has BSRDR and the weather has seemingly broken here, I can do some more testing to see how she performs vis a vi the Redline and /or Max. My install was actually worse as it was about 5 inches off the ground (talk about in harms way) and was behind both the lower lip of the front spoiler and the chin spoiler (splitter) that Roush had installed. At least they had it label side up..........
 

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This just seems like a common sense terrible spot to put it in the beginning. I wouldn't have even let the installer put it there lol
 

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This just seems like a common sense terrible spot to put it in the beginning. I wouldn't have even let the installer put it there lol
I had nothing to do with the original install and would love to have a "talking to" with the original installer.

This is why placement of both RDs and parking sensors is of vital importance and must be monitored and verified for performance.
 

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Is the 9500 ci and rl not identical guts
 

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Is the 9500 ci and rl not identical guts
Yes, both have the wire bonded LNA. However, it seems that there are differences between M3 units in terms of performance. At least I've experienced that. Some units are hot, and some others are not!
 

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Would you say the 9500 ci should have better performance on 35.5 than a v1 off axis or straight line
 

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Would you say the 9500 ci should have better performance on 35.5 than a v1 off axis or straight line
I would say yes in both instances. the 9500ci's range would most likely be better on all Ka segments, but since 35.5 is the V1's weak spot, without a doubt the 9500ci would perform better IMO.
 

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So did you just take out the lower grill or did you not have one?
 

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There's no lower grille on my car. It's all open. I had to remove the a Roush air splitter to get the Ci antenna out though. Much better performance now!!
 

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I'll take a pic of my antenna and post it here for an opinion whether or not it's out far enough.
 

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