New noPhoto Unveil

Discussion in 'Passive Countermeasures' started by Jon at Radenso, Jul 6, 2014.

  1. Jon at Radenso

    Jon at Radenso Premium Member Advanced User MFG/Vendor Premium Member

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    Some of you may have noticed we went a bit quiet over the last month or so around here - well, we had our reasons :)

    The development of the original noPhoto was exciting - for the first time, we brought worldwide attention to the idea of active photo enforcement countermeasures. It was also our first product as a company, and was partially the result of a crowdfunding campaign, with all of the positives and negatives that go along with that.

    Thanks to the success of the original noPhoto, things have changed a bit at noLimits. Over the last few months, we have had the opportunity to improve on not only our core technology, but on every other aspect of the product as well. Rather than a simple revision, this latest generation of the noPhoto is really an entirely new and further advanced product.

    There are a couple of things to keep in mind - unlike last time, we are not going to commit to any hard deadlines for shipping the product. We are also not going to take pre-orders in advance of us having inventory in-stock. This thread is not the sales announcement, but rather a way for us to give you a look at what we are working on. There are certain questions I may not be able to answer, so I apologize in advance of that. Over the next couple of weeks we will be updating the website rather comprehensively, but I wanted to give you guys and girls on the forum an early look.

    As a way to kick-off the public unveiling, we thought it would be fun to sponsor Rally North America: http://www.rallynorthamerica.com. Keep an eye on our Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/NoLimits-Enterprises/310220202418876) for pictures and live updates from the event. This rally is VERY intensive driving and time-wise, but we plan on trying to update every night at least a little bit. You are welcome to meet us at the checkpoints and take a look at the unit in-person if you can!

    As I mentioned previously, this new unit is significantly different from the old unit. The idea was to take the basic core technology and push it even further, while focusing more on the entire package. There are a lot of things that we learned from the original unit that we were able to leverage during the design and manufacturing process of the new one!

    1. The unit is made and assembled in the United States. It is engineered in Cincinnati, OH, and manufactured and assembled in Indiana by an Ohio-based company. We have switched manufacturers to a Tier 1 automotive OEM supplier and have developed a custom QC and auditing process that utilizes materials samples and analysis, environmental chamber testing, vibration and drop testing, as well as a human component for final review. Every single unit will be submersion-tested before leaving the assembly line.

    2. Vehicle compatibility is upwards of 95%. The unit can be installed on the top of bottom of the license plate, and only protrudes .26in above or below the license plate. If you have .26 inches either above or below your license plate, the noPhoto will fit.

    3. The noPhoto is now internationally compatible. The unit can be affixed to international plates with simple 3m tape or with a mounting system we will sell to adapt the holes.

    4. Performance is improved greatly. We have dramatically increased the sophistication of the flash detection circuit to more than triple direct sunlight performance, while keeping the great filtering that we were previously known for. Brightness has been increased as well. The flash has been moved to the center of the plate to eliminate possible issues with two or three character plates.

    5. A wireless chipset is onboard every noPhoto and there will be an iPhone and Android application. It will allow firmware updates in the field, encounter history, on/off control, etc.

    6. There will be a physical remote display/control unit that we will sell. It will connect via bluetooth to the noPhoto and be hardwired into the car.

    7. The new noPhoto is significantly smaller, lighter, thinner, and less obtrusive than the previous generation.

    8. The noPhoto Pro and noPhoto base lines will cease to exist - the new noPhoto will be the only unit we sell.

    Attached are some pictures of a prototype that is nearly production ready. There are a few differences from this to the retail unit (lenses will probably be an IR transmitting black material, the production unit is ultrasonically welded instead of assembled with screws, etc), but it is dead-on in terms of dimension and overall look.

    Your feedback is welcome - along with any suggestions, comments, or criticisms that you may have. Thanks for being patient while we kept this under wraps over the last couple of months, and we look forward to the new noPhoto protecting drivers the world over.

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    I'm guessing this just helps against RLC right? Won't help at all with laser?
     
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    Jon at Radenso Premium Member Advanced User MFG/Vendor Premium Member

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    Correct, this is a photo countermeasure for RLC and speed cameras.
     
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    Have the ATS camera issues been resolved in this new version?
     
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    Jon at Radenso Premium Member Advanced User MFG/Vendor Premium Member

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    Yes, absolutely.
     
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    Perfect thanks for the quick response!
     
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    Can this be used with a laser shield?
     
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    You might have to trim a couple of millimeters from the bottom of the laser shield, but it should work otherwise. Brightness may be marginally reduced.
     
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    Here is a shot of our rally car lapping Summit Raceway while decked out for Rally North America! 10402416_256184057906102_7678266214864604757_n.jpg
     
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    Oh man, before anything else, let me state how unbelievably excited I am for your new product!! :woot:

    This looks like a huge upgrade compared to the last version and I can't wait to get my hands on one!

    It looks like there's a bunch of nice upgrades and changes in this next generation of the noPhoto, so here's some feedback, questions, and comments as I think aloud about the unit. :)

    First off, I LOVE that it's mounted down low so that it no longer partially blocks and presses up against the backup camera the way the old generation did. Huge improvement.

    What changes have you noticed with the flash firing up instead of coming in from the sides? It looks like it may have more of an impact on RLC's that are mounted up higher as they may even see the bulb more directly. I'm curious how visible the edges of the plate will be now that there's just one flash bulb (like the ProDB) instead of two.

    How will this unit be powered? Similar idea with a removable cable running up and you hardwire somewhere near your taillights?

    How will this be mounted to the vehicle itself? When I close my trunklid, the previous model would bounce a little bit and then thunk back on the trunklid. Putting some padding behind the bottom of the unit would help, and I'm curious if something similar would be necessary here. Maybe 3M doublestick tape to hold it in place? or would you recommend padding and letting it bounce? Some cars have a place for the lower plate screws to secure it in place, but not all of them do, and I'm not sure if this unit offers compatibility to screw into the lower plate screw holes.

    What will the flash alert notification look like? I'd really like to know when it goes off to see that 1) it worked and 2) it's not falsing and flashing other drivers.

    Have you tested it against a lidar gun? Can it filter these out so they don't flash and get a LEO's attention when they're targeting our car?

    I'm curious about the comparison between the hardwired remote display/control unit and the app itself, and I'm sure you'll reveal more about that once it's ready to be released. One offers the option to not have to fire up an app every time you get in the car, the other lets you avoid having to install yet another doodad inside your car.

    Out of curiosity, what's that little hole on the right side of the top of the unit?

    The style of the new unit looks very professional and well designed. I like the edges and folds of the unit. I love that it's much more compact as well.
     
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    Does this new unit still retain the IR flash?
     
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    That's a big difference from the original, looks like things are moving along nicely!
     
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    Great questions I can't wait for the answers



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    ---------- Post added at 10:36 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:10 AM ----------

    Hey Nathan can you test the new nophoto with this http://www.ontrackcorp.com/super-protector.cfm?id=05


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  14. m3o

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    Will this work with tollroad cameras?
     
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    I am really excited to see this baby in action! I can't wait until Vortex gets his hands on ones - he has done some thoroughly impressive reviews!
     
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    Agree !!!


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    If the camera is angled high it will be a bit more effective mounted on top than bottom, but it doesn't really matter either way since it is more than bright enough to defeat a camera in either orientation. The edges of the plate won't be a problem, we will try to post some in-action plate shots after the rally.

    Yup. No batteries yet, the technology simply isn't there.

    It should screw into either top or bottom holes. But the product is extremely lightweight and it can be entirely held on via 3m tape provided the license plate is cleaned with alcohol before. We have spacers to keep the license plate evenly spaced on the holes that are not being used by the unit.

    It will accomplish both of those. It will be an audio and visual alert similar to a remote radar detector display.

    We have the capability to do this and chose components with the necessary horsepower, but it is not written into the firmware yet. We have a couple of other things above this on the priority list at the moment, but it will come eventually.

    The app provides more functionality and bells and whistles, but as you said, the remote unit is a "set it and forget it" install where you don't have to use an app every time.

    That's where we are running the power cord out of. It will look different on the retail unit, we just left it a hole since we are taking the board in and out of the enclosure so often.

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    Not unless they use a flash.
     
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    I have a critical question,

    What is the result if the photo radar have a polarized filter to defeat overexposure sources and flashes like noPhoto?
     
  19. Vortex

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    Why would it make a difference? The light from the nophoto is unpolarized so putting a polarizer in front of the camera lens wouldn't filter the light out.
     
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    Will there be a motorcycle version?