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Oh, my apologies. :) It's the optional external control box that you can buy to go with the ProDB. If you get it, it lets you individually turn the front/rear license plate lights on or off while still maintaining photo blocking functionality. (You currently do it via the dip switches on the front, and it looks like future models will have an improved method that replaces the dip switches.)

We should definitely check in to see how the noPhoto compares because this really could be a big deal.
Ahh I see, so with the dip switches you could turn the light off for one but leave it on for the back then?

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We should definitely check in to see how the noPhoto compares because this really could be a big deal.
Yeah, my thoughts on how this could be improved as well is detect pulse rates just like jammers do, though I'm not sure that's entirely possible, I imagine the idea is for it to flash as soon as one pulse of light x amount of seconds is detected. Would be cool if it could double as a jammer though given the right algorithms :D
 

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Ahh I see, so with the dip switches you could turn the light off for one but leave it on for the back then?
Bingo!

Yeah, my thoughts on how this could be improved as well is detect pulse rates just like jammers do, though I'm not sure that's entirely possible, I imagine the idea is for it to flash as soon as one pulse of light x amount of seconds is detected.
I like the way you're thinking. With these speedcams, I think the limitation will be how long it'd have to wait for a secondary pulse before firing and the camera would take a picture while the unit was waiting for a second pulse. Let's run the numbers...

Lidar guns typically shoot on the order of 100-250 pulses per second or so. If we look at the PL3 which is probably the most common gun on the market, it shoots at 200 pps, so every 1/200th of a second it's firing another pulse. The slowest gun I know of is the Ultralyte 100 which shoots at 100 pps.

Speed cameras are shooting pictures at shutter speeds upwards of 1/500th to 1/1,000th of a second or faster. (The one I tested against shoots at 1/904th of a second.) The fastest ones currently around shoot around 1/5,000th and are capable of firing at 1/12,000th of a second... so WAY faster than the durations we're looking at with lidar guns. The ProDB is designed to work against all of these cameras, including the fastest ones out there, so it has to fire its flash back before the camera stops exposing the image.

Even if we look at the best case scenario of a TruSpeed S which shoots at 4,000 pps, a camera shooting at 1/5,000th would still already take the picture before the TSS fires its second pulse.

So yeah, unfortunately it looks like this particular technique wouldn't work against traffic cams as a filtering technique. It really makes me curious what other options are possible to filter these guns out. Perhaps even something like a filter over the receiver that tightly blocks 904nm light and allows as much of the rest of visible/IR spectrum as possible. I dunno how easy that'd be to create.

Would be cool if it could double as a jammer though given the right algorithms :D
It'd be awesome to see it integrated into a jamming head like a ZR4! You'd still need the two main heads though for complete protection so this would complement the other heads to really make the plate area bulletproof.
 
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We should definitely check in to see how the noPhoto compares because this really could be a big deal.
I thought the noPhoto already handled falsing, including Lidar. If not, YIKES! Forget about JTK that would Blind to Kill! I see this being a problem if it falses to lidar.
 

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I thought the noPhoto already handled falsing, including Lidar. If not, YIKES! Forget about JTK that would Blind to Kill! I see this being a problem if it falses to lidar.
On the other hand, maybe if he's momentarily blinded after pulling a lidar trigger you can make a quick get away before he has a chance to recover and pull out to get you :D
 

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not trying to hijack thread, someone apparently made some IR license plate frame and claims it 'jams lidar' as well lol.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LASER-Jammin-IR-Camera-Blockin-electronic-License-Plate-by-Privacy-Plate-com-/191068414249?pt=Car_Audio_Video&hash=item2c7c90a129&vxp=mtr

Anyone want to test this? I'm sure it doesn't jam but would be interesting to see if it will at the least blind ir cameras.
Cool. :) So let's see... http://privacy-plate.com/

It says it uses pulsed IR, so it uses a pattern recognition system like LI/Blinder/ALP, not a brute force technique like the LE-10's. Due to it being only on the plate, it'll have the same issues as the ZR4 in terms of a single head for rear coverage.

The frame is made up of 48 IR LED's which should blind any camera that shoots a flash and is sensitive to IR. They're pretty picky about mentioning specifically IR cameras as opposed to visible light cameras that also may or may not be sensitive to IR.

Things like how it handles falsing (should be better since it doesn't emit visible light), how safe it is in terms of fusing and not starting fires, if there's weathersealing, if there's any alert to the driver when it goes off, if there's a kill switch or if you'd have to wire up your own to JTK or go through toll booths, these are all things that would need to be looked at. From the pics, it basically looks like a blingy license plate frame. I can't tell how thick it is (thinner is better to be more conspicuous, not block your backup camera's view, etc.) and because it uses LEDs instead of camera-like flash heads, it may draw less power and require smaller capacitors.

So yeah, interesting proposition. The main concern is that this wouldn't be a replacement for a ProDB or a noPhoto because it doesn't aim to blind ALL traffic cameras the way those two do.
 

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If it works anything like the Laser Shield plate, it isn't going to work.
 

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So I just realized that if I was gonna get a ticket in the mail, I woulda gotten it already. It took 11 days last time. It's been 18 days now, so a full week longer than it "should" take. While it's certainly possible that it could show up in the next few days, it looks like it did its job. :cool:

Great job, ProDB! Thanks for having my back.
 

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While it's certainly possible that it could show up in the next few days, it looks like it did its job.
If in another week you're clear, I'm going to get these. I had a scare a week and a half ago, stopping a little late and going about halfway over the line...flashes. I haven't received anything yet but it's freaking me out.

I don't run red lights, but sometimes you miss time them or don't come to a complete stop on a right-hand turn on accident. That's the only reason i'd get a set.
 

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If in another week you're clear, I'm going to get these. I had a scare a week and a half ago, stopping a little late and going about halfway over the line...flashes. I haven't received anything yet but it's freaking me out.

I don't run red lights, but sometimes you miss time them or don't come to a complete stop on a right-hand turn on accident. That's the only reason i'd get a set.
Until they address lidar falsing, I don't see the worth. Running a redlight in most places is a small fine and 0 points, and in some cases requires personal service. Flashing white light in a cops lidar gun when he tags you is going to get noticed and probably get you a hefty ticket.
 

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Until they address lidar falsing, I don't see the worth. Running a redlight in most places is a small fine and 0 points, and in some cases requires personal service. Flashing white light in a cops lidar gun when he tags you is going to get noticed and probably get you a hefty ticket.
Perhaps you can turn them off on the highway or in towns without RLCs. There's only one RLC where I live, but it's at one of the two biggest, most heavily used intersections (for your safety), in a county where they do not to my knowledge use laser (but is used in the city proper)
 

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Bump for update!
 

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Bump for update!
This has sat in my closet for most of the time I've owned it. The falsing to me was a much bigger deal than the protection it offered.

That said, it is being updated and I sent it back about a week ago and am being sent the newer version of the unit and can report in with the changes once I know more. :)
 

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Speed cams just came to my area and, if it weren't for the laser falsing issue, I'd snap a couple right up. But the county LEO's that do the enforcement in my immediate area use stationary LIDAR exclusively. I get hit pretty regularly. A big white flash in the LIDAR sight is a no go. Be great if they solved this issue. Thanks for keeping us up to date Vortex.
 

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Hello Vortex,

Thanks for the awesome write up!

Any updates on the updated version of the ProDB? Have they sent you a new one yet?
 

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Hello Vortex,

Thanks for the awesome write up!

Any updates on the updated version of the ProDB? Have they sent you a new one yet?
It's taking them quite a while to get another unit sent over. I sent them mine back a little while ago. They're working on an updated version with more features but have asked me not to disclose what is coming quite yet.

So no updates at the moment. Once I receive a unit back, I'll definitely share what I find out. :)
 

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Does anyone know if these are IP rated? Like IP56 (66, 42, etc)


Sent from my tAblet, please excuse the typos
 

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It's taking them quite a while to get another unit sent over. I sent them mine back a little while ago. They're working on an updated version with more features but have asked me not to disclose what is coming quite yet.

So no updates at the moment. Once I receive a unit back, I'll definitely share what I find out. :)
[MENTION=2404]Vortex[/MENTION], bump for 4 month update??? Alls been quiet??
 

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@Vortex, bump for 4 month update??? Alls been quiet??
heh I sent my unit back ages ago and am still waiting... I last spoke with them a week ago. There's definitely some updates coming for the newer version, but no timeframe currently as far as its release. Once they are ready I will be getting a review sample.

Hopefully it's soon. I don't have my noPhoto right now either (it's also awaiting replacement for the new version too, whenever that gets released) and it'd be nice to have least something in the meantime... :p
 
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