V1 w/V1C Custom sweep programming (Android).

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  1. CJR238

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    First you will need a ESP V1 3.893 or higher, a V1 connection (V1C) and a compatible Android phone to run the app.

    If you do not have the the above versions or BT V1C dongle you can program your V1 manually as well: https://www.rdforum.org/showthread.php?t=105

    You will need to download the app and connect to the V1C via BT. Once this is completed (may need the 1234 pass code)

    1. Select Profiles on the V1 connection screen.
    2. Select the Factory Default Profile.
    3. Select Special on the menu.
    4. Enable Euro mode.
    5. Now scroll down and select Custom Sweeps (this can be time consuming and a little frustrating so be prepared).


    There are 3 Ka frequency's commonly used in the US so you will set custom sweeps around these frequencys.

    33.8 Ka.....MPH (33.7 - 33.9)
    34.7 Ka.....Stalker (34.6 - 34.8)
    35.5 Ka.....Kustom/Decatur (35.4 - 35.6)

    If you dont know whats used in your area you can reference the RDF Geographical Survey to get an idea: https://www.rdforum.org/wiki/index.php?title=RDF_Geographical_Survey

    There are also some rare old Stalker ATR handhelds that operated between 34.2-35.2 but these are out of circulation for the most part.

    You will see six custom sweeps with 1-4 selected and 5-6 unselected (see pic #1). To cover the Ka frequencies used here in the US and to over sweep particular frequency to get the best performance on that band you can utilize all 6 custom sweep options by programming the sweeps (see pic#2) and end up with 6 custom sweeps like I did below in pic# 3.


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    My custom sweep settings for 34.7 & 35.5 (In Euro mode POP is on automatically and covers 33.8 so i did not set custom sweeps for this):

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    Setting custom sweeps:
    5a. You will now type in the sweeps start and stop points you want to be scanned. Don't be surprised that when you save the sweeps that the V1 makes some minor adjustments to your selections.

    To cover the complete bandwidth of 34.7 you need to use at least 2 custom sweeps. This is because the V1 does not allow a single sweep to bridge a 4 MHZ boundary between 34.770-34.774. No sweep can start or stop within that range either, so you have to sweep around it (before and after).

    You can duplicate/repeat the below sweeps so the V1 will over scan that frequency (remember 34.7 must have 2 sweeps, one for below 34.770 and one for above 34.774).

    Custom Sweep #1 (34.7) - Start point at or just below 34.600 / Stop point at or just below 34.770 (V1 should adjust to 34.770 if you are within a few MHZ under.)

    Custom Sweep #2 (34.7) - Start point at or just above 34.774 / Stop point at or just above 34.820 (V1 should adjust to 34.774 if you are within a few MHZ above.

    Custom Sweep #3 - Start point at or just below 35.400 / Stop point at or just above 35.600.

    Custom Sweeps #4,5,6 - Can be duplications of the above (like I did) for even better range/response, or if you see 33.8 in your area you can add 33.8 (33.7 - 33.9).

    Now click on the file button in the top right corner and save this as a new profile and name it. Your V1 will display a "C" when its in Euro mode with Custom settings you just programed. You can hold down the mute button to switch to "c" mode which disables K band.

    You can also change other settings like K-Band muting according to your preference. The K band muting can be a fantastic tool to reduce falsing dramatically and should be used according to your risk scnareo.

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    My K band muting on the V1C ("l" Mode Risk Scenarios) :

    My K band Mute settings: 3 seconds and rear arrow muting. Helps with BSM falsing.


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    So if you decide to use the V1 with max time and signal strength muting in “l” mode here is the (Risk Scenarios) you should use (l/L mode wont show when V1C is programed):

    Note: "l" mode shows all K band alerts on the display but mutes sound for a specific time/strength. "L" mode does not show or provide audio for any K band alerts for a specific time/strength.

    Basically i toggle between "A" mode when in "High Risk" areas and "l" mode when in "Low Risk" areas where there are a lot of falses, or where i wouldn't speed anyway. Just don't forget to turn it back to "A" mode when your out of the "Low Risk" area.

    1) In areas where police X and/or K band isn't used, use “l” mode. (No Risk & best area for “l” or “L” mode)

    2) In areas where police do use K/X band but never sit in that area it would be a Low Risk area. You will most likely use “l” mode. But watch you display and listen for the bogey tones. Note: double tapping the mute button during an encounter temporarily kills the bogey lock tone.

    3) In areas where police K/X band is used and they do sit in that area it would be considered a (High Risk) area and “A” mode should be used. “A” mode should also be used on the highway.

    The V1 provides a lot of information, and if used actively and with knowledge of your area and what the local LEO’s use it can be programmed and adjusted to be pretty quiet.

    If you decide use “l” mode in a High Risk area to mute the alert automatically for the time and strength you chose you should still drive through the area with caution if you suspect any chance it could be muting police radar. Simply use “l” mode when you want quiet and proceed with your own discretion and best judgment. (There is all ways the option of switching to “A” mode when speeding in a "High Risk" area)

    V1 filtering mode Risk scenarios: Use the above threat risk scenarios to determine the usage of “l” mode. I suggest using “A” mode in "High Risk" areas and manually muting if you feel its safe. “L” “l” mode should be used sparingly and according to your Risk area.

    Just so i dont loose my V1C fob and to make it more of an all in one cord i did this:

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    Updated custom sweeps i have tested on YaV1:

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  2. CJR238

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    Re: V1 w/V1C Custom sweep programing.

    I am no V1 expert so if there are any updates (i am sure there will be) that i should add to this please let me know and I will update.
     
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    Re: V1 w/V1C Custom sweep programing.

    It looks like you pretty much covered everything I can think of. I would have loved to have seen all this information in one place when I was getting my V1C set up. Bravo, good sir.
     
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    Re: V1 w/V1C Custom sweep programing.

    Thank you, and that's exzacley why i made it. I got to thinking how much of a pain it was figuring out how to set up the V1C with no real instruction, I had to take peaces from multiple forums and members to figure it out. Plus I wanted to share my "l" mod preferences because it quiets the V1 down a whole lot.
     
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  5. Rags

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    Re: V1 w/V1C Custom sweep programing.

    You are kidding...right? V1C is so simple to use I can't see how it could be difficult in any way other than getting too picky over what you get on the sliders with the sweeps. The instructions with the app are pretty straight forward and the buttons are simple and self-explanatory. When it comes to figuring out what to save in the settings for each profile, that is the only thing that takes much thought.

    I literally figured out the entire deal in less than 5 minutes and I am not the sharpest tool in the shed ;)
     
  6. CJR238

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    Re: V1 w/V1C Custom sweep programing.

    Well, i didn't get any directions/instructions with my V1C (just two hand cut peaces of paper basically saying to plug it in and the app needed), nothing letting me know about the 4mhz block that couldn't get covered (not knowing that put me back a bit). The sliders totally suck, trying to get it exzacley at 34.770/34.774 is like trying to thread a needle with a rope. Then me trying to save the files with out being connected to the RD made it even more confusing since it saved but didn't look like it.

    Figuring out with some help from members made it much easier, but it was still very time consuming with no clear instructions and having to run back and forth from the car to be sure the settings were saved properly. But now that its all set its very easy.
     
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    You don't have to get the sliders exact. This has been said so many times that I find it incredible that people still think they need to get it exact. You just make sure you get the lower sweep close to the limit but not over, and the upper sweep close to but not under its limit. The V1 will return the proper value every time.

    I'm with you, the sliders suck. That's why I don't use them. I rooted my phone and entered them in myself with sql lite.
     
  8. Salty

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    Re: V1 w/V1C Custom sweep programing.

    And you say you're not the sharpest tool in the shed? Wish I knew how to do something like that.
     
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    Re: V1 w/V1C Custom sweep programing.

    Great job CJR238 of detailing exactly what is necessary to get V1Connection up and running. One minor point, V1C works with any ESP V1, which would include software version 3.892.
     
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    Re: V1 w/V1C Custom sweep programing.

    So after a bit of testing it appears custom sweeps can allow you to tweak any particular Ka band to provide RedLine with BS & RDR type of performance. For example Nine_C1 over sweeps 34.7 with 5 segments and his V1 appears to preform as good as the RedLine with weak signals on 34.7.

    I divided mine up into 3 for 34.7 and 3 for 35.5 since I see 35.5 fairly often on side roads, but on the highway i see 34.7 almost exclusively so I may try a 4-5 sweeps on 34.7 and just 1-2 on 35.5. Or just do 5 on 34.7 and 1 on 35.5 and switch from one to the other in the app when needed. So awesome being able to save multiple preset custom sweeps and switch between them.
     
  11. esa31.8t

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    I agree with the above.

    I recently set mine up with extra 33.7-33.9 sweeps (NHP) and it's picking these up consistently as fast (initial alert), if not faster than my Redline, but I have no video proof. This V1 smokes the other detectors on K band to the point of being silly irritating.
     
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    CJR, how can you set up 3 sweeps for 34.7 and 3 sweeps for 35.5, total of 6 sweeps when you need two sweeps just to cover 34.7?
     
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    He probably just miscounted or is just running the narrower 34.630-34.770 (+/-70)single sweep to cover it.
    Personally I set up the dual 34.7 sweep real wide (34.6xx-34.770 & 34.774-34.930) to cover the odd out of tune gun or older 34.9 units and then can alternate with the more narrow single sweep of 34.7 and regular 35.5 ones.

    Personally i have yet to come across a 34.7 far enough out of tune to neccessitate the double sweep...but ya never know.
     
  14. Bear

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    Re: V1 w/V1C Custom sweep programing.

    Like jfraymond said, you can do it in 3 if you don't mind stopping one of them at 34.770.
     
  15. CJR238

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    Re: V1 w/V1C Custom sweep programing.

    LOL, well you will see in the picture above I have the 2 required to cover the full 34.7 range required (34.593 to 34.770 & 34.774 to 34.819) then because almost every time i see 34.7 it only verys slightly I ran an additional sweep 34.593 to 34.770. I would say when i see 34.7 it ranges from 34.676 to 34.725.

    ---------- Post added at 10:09 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:58 AM ----------

    I am also testing 4 for 34.7 and 2 for 35.5 to see if i can get closer to the RedLines performance. I know if i ran 5 for 34.7 it would, so we will see with 4. Ill keep messing with it till I get the ideal sweeps.

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    Okay so i tried a few different sweep configurations so ill just keep some notes here. (all tests so far have been on 34.7)

    The difference between 3 and 4 sweeps showed minimal performance difference, adding the 5th sweep did show better performance but still not a clear increase. Over all adding additional sweeps may only become a clear advantage when over sweeping one band with 5+ sweeps.
     
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    Thank you, this was very usefull. V1 website provides minimal info on this subject. Very good analysis.
     
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  18. Windstrings

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    Re: V1 w/V1C Custom sweep programing (Android).

    Awesome thread!
    Mind if I revive it?
    I have a couple questions.
    1. I noticed it's popular to do multiple sweeps over the same frequency range?
    I think I saw 3 sweeps fie one range then 2 more for another with nine s configuration.

    What's the benefit to scan twice or even 3 times? Can the V1 miss it the first go round? Can a pop sneak in before it has a chance to come back around?

    3. Are we also increasing falses that may come in on those bands?

    3. Does the V1 need all sweeps filled with something?
    I know it's not good to skip "like use 2 then 4 and skip 1 and 3"

    4. But what if you only use the first 3 or 4, what happens when it gets to the empty ones? Does it take the same amount of time sweeping as if something was assigned to it or go straight to the next" "filled" one skipping the empty ones?





    Alan.. Sent with Galaxy S4
     
  19. CJR238

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    Re: V1 w/V1C Custom sweep programing (Android).

    Thanks, ill also try and update when V1C for Android gets updated.

    The more sweeps you have the better it will preform on that band. For example Nine_C1 runs 5 out of 6 sweeps on 34.7 because that's his main threat. For me i like to split up 3 for 35.5 and 3 for 34.7 since i see both. However in testing with Nine his V1 preformed better than my V1 with 5 34.7 sweeps so over sweeping wont necessarily increase your sensitivity by much and it depends on your unit (manufacturer variance).

    You dont need all sweeps filled with something just the minimum 2 for 34.7 and one for 35.5 (POP covers 33.8).

    The V1C will sweeps what you have set, it does less sweeps when you have less programed.
     
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  20. ersin

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    Re: V1 w/V1C Custom sweep programing (Android).

    Seeing as how one of the biggest complaints for the V1 connection software (android version) was the difficulty in setting sweeps by moving the dot, I'm wondering if VR took that feedback to heart when designing the V1C LE software and made it easier by letting us type the actual frequency in. Or it could be that the iOS programmer just did a better job? I don't think so; I think VR learned from the first Android version.

    I am not aware of any objective testing for one vs. multiple sweeps. This would be interesting to test to see if there is any advantage. Personally, I don't feel that there is any. No rationale for that, just a gut feeling.


    Cheers.