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    Re: Passport Max initial review

    I cancelled my preorder Until I see some better test results. I can't justify the price from what I've seen so far. Yes, the units tested so far are pre-release units, but I feel tweeks should have been done before announcing a new product. Hell, we've been beta testers for live for how long now? Almost two years? I dont want to go through that again.
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    Re: Passport Max initial review

    Quote Originally Posted by Veil Guy View Post
    Funny marketing hype: DNA and HD. I didn't know RADAR had DNA. I only thought living things did. Did someone manage to actually map RADAR's genome? LOL
    Max uses sampling just like your CD player does. Because of the use of sampling it can identify radar from background noise far better than previous generation analog detectors. Taking the CD analogy further (actually a perfect analogy) it has much better signal to noise ratio than analog technology. Think vinyl or tape compared to CD, MP3, DVD digital audio technology. Also because of sampling it can identify the DNA, or signature, of radar sources. We plan on using this aspect of Max to better filter out unwanted radar signals such as adaptive cruise control and blind spot monitoring radar. This will take time though.

    Max is currently very selective, down to the MHz. An order of magnitude better selectivity than the previous best, the M3 (RedLine, 9500ci, STi)
    Quote Originally Posted by Jag42 View Post
    This Max better have heat protection and good cooling or it will turn in to molted lava on your dash.
    Max has been designed to handle the temperatures that it will encounter in a motor vehicle.
    Quote Originally Posted by midd View Post
    Agreed. All of this hype for what the future MAY hold; Escort knew they had to release it now to gain an edge. I don't consider it a big gain at all over the V1 and even the RedLine.

    BRD, I gotta commend you on your opinions as a dealer for Escort. Not many vendors will be as up front as you are.
    The videos in the OP show some great alerts, as good or better then any other detector. The Max response video is unprecedented. We are releasing Max because we are confident in it. Because it is fully digital we can do a lot more with it in software over time than with analog detectors.

    BRD. Max uses AutoLearn like the 9500ix. It will learn and store falses then not alert to them any longer. If your wife likes the 9500ix then I'm sure that she will love Max. It's going to false for a few days but then it's silent. When the police set up shop in one of the false locations she will detect it earlier than she would have with a 9500ix.
    Quote Originally Posted by silentfury View Post
    i've been quietly lurking the past day or so regarding the Max to see what others had to say and while i bit and pre-ordered, i'm heavily questioning that decision. currently my 9500ix gives me no issues or problems and i like it a lot. before the Max, i contemplated the RL but decided to go with the Max over that based on everything being advertised and spoken about. now it seems there is not much incentive (right now) to even make the switch to the Max. perhaps, i should revisit the RL instead.
    If you like the 9500ix then you will love Max. It delivers better performance and features than both. I am a big advocate of the 9500ix, I love it, and Max blows it away in every measure Max has already performed better for me than a segmented RedLine with RDR off. It is smoking hot.
    Quote Originally Posted by djrams80 View Post
    Me three. At the end of the day, the RedLine is a better detector.....neither detector misses I/O shots and the RedLine has better range. If you miraculously live in an area that uses MPH radar units in actual pop mode, or might run up against a severely out of tune radar gun, then you would be better off with the MAX.
    Currently, in pre-production form, Max has better range than a RedLine using expert software in most circumstances. We are confident it will outperform RedLine in all circumstances when it ships. Having used them both I easily prefer Max due to it having TrueLock. TrueLock works very well on Max. I am seeing more X band signals than ever before and Max is storing and rejecting them perfectly. It stored three separate X band signals sequentially for me and the notifications let me know this. Speaking of which, you see the rejected signal and it's strength on the display after it has been stored but it will be grey.

    Do not assume that because Max uses a board on casting horn design that it performs like the M4 (which is very good mind you). Max performs far better.
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    Re: Passport Max initial review

    Quote Originally Posted by EscortRadar View Post
    Max uses sampling just like your CD player does. Because of the use of sampling it can identify radar from background noise far better than previous generation analog detectors. Taking the CD analogy further (actually a perfect analogy) it has much better signal to noise ratio than analog technology. Think vinyl or tape compared to CD, MP3, DVD digital audio technology. Also because of sampling it can identify the DNA, or signature, of radar sources. We plan on using this aspect of Max to better filter out unwanted radar signals such as adaptive cruise control and blind spot monitoring radar. This will take time though.

    Max is currently very selective, down to the MHz. An order of magnitude better selectivity than the previous best, the M3 (RedLine, 9500ci, STi)

    Max has been designed to handle the temperatures that it will encounter in a motor vehicle.

    The videos in the OP show some great alerts, as good or better then any other detector. The Max response video is unprecedented. We are releasing Max because we are confident in it. Because it is fully digital we can do a lot more with it in software over time than with analog detectors.

    BRD. Max uses AutoLearn like the 9500ix. It will learn and store falses then not alert to them any longer. If your wife likes the 9500ix then I'm sure that she will love Max. It's going to false for a few days but then it's silent. When the police set up shop in one of the false locations she will detect it earlier than she would have with a 9500ix.

    If you like the 9500ix then you will love Max. It delivers better performance and features than both. I am a big advocate of the 9500ix, I love it, and Max blows it away in every measure Max has already performed better for me than a segmented RedLine with RDR off. It is smoking hot.


    Currently, in pre-production form, Max has better range than a RedLine using expert software in most circumstances. We are confident it will outperform RedLine in all circumstances when it ships. Having used them both I easily prefer Max due to it having TrueLock. TrueLock works very well on Max. I am seeing more X band signals than ever before and Max is storing and rejecting them perfectly. It stored three separate X band signals sequentially for me and the notifications let me know this. Speaking of which, you see the rejected signal and it's strength on the display after it has been stored but it will be grey.

    Do not assume that because Max uses a board on casting horn design that it performs like the M4 (which is very good mind you). Max performs far better.
    Wow Larry, what a response. You whacked at least five lobs. Nice. Yes, of course, I understand the nature of sig processing. I was simply having fun with the catchy phrases that are used in marketing.

    Speaking of vinyl, I am an audiophile, too. You know after ALL of the years of digital, analogue vinyl is still superior. Word is that the man who created iTunes and digital downloads for mobile devices, didn't used them personally. He was an analogue man all the way. My kind of guy. I often feel myself, that I am an analogue guy living in a digital world.

    Getting back to your response, though, I did allude to that possibility in my preview. Glad to hear that I wasn't off the mark. If anyone can figure it out, I am sure you guys will!

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    Re: Passport Max initial review

    Quote Originally Posted by EscortRadar View Post
    Max uses sampling just like your CD player does. Because of the use of sampling it can identify radar from background noise far better than previous generation analog detectors. Taking the CD analogy further (actually a perfect analogy) it has much better signal to noise ratio than analog technology. Think vinyl or tape compared to CD, MP3, DVD digital audio technology. Also because of sampling it can identify the DNA, or signature, of radar sources. We plan on using this aspect of Max to better filter out unwanted radar signals such as adaptive cruise control and blind spot monitoring radar. This will take time though.

    Max is currently very selective, down to the MHz. An order of magnitude better selectivity than the previous best, the M3 (RedLine, 9500ci, STi)

    Max has been designed to handle the temperatures that it will encounter in a motor vehicle.

    The videos in the OP show some great alerts, as good or better then any other detector. The Max response video is unprecedented. We are releasing Max because we are confident in it. Because it is fully digital we can do a lot more with it in software over time than with analog detectors.

    BRD. Max uses AutoLearn like the 9500ix. It will learn and store falses then not alert to them any longer. If your wife likes the 9500ix then I'm sure that she will love Max. It's going to false for a few days but then it's silent. When the police set up shop in one of the false locations she will detect it earlier than she would have with a 9500ix.

    If you like the 9500ix then you will love Max. It delivers better performance and features than both. I am a big advocate of the 9500ix, I love it, and Max blows it away in every measure Max has already performed better for me than a segmented RedLine with RDR off. It is smoking hot.


    Currently, in pre-production form, Max has better range than a RedLine using expert software in most circumstances. We are confident it will outperform RedLine in all circumstances when it ships. Having used them both I easily prefer Max due to it having TrueLock. TrueLock works very well on Max. I am seeing more X band signals than ever before and Max is storing and rejecting them perfectly. It stored three separate X band signals sequentially for me and the notifications let me know this. Speaking of which, you see the rejected signal and it's strength on the display after it has been stored but it will be grey.

    Do not assume that because Max uses a board on casting horn design that it performs like the M4 (which is very good mind you). Max performs far better.
    I for one am very excited and would like to have my MAX ASAP

    Do you know if they are incorporaing any change to the latch time?

    do you ssuspect them to ship soon

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    Re: Passport Max initial review

    Quote Originally Posted by EscortRadar View Post
    BRD. Max uses AutoLearn like the 9500ix. It will learn and store falses then not alert to them any longer. If your wife likes the 9500ix then I'm sure that she will love Max. It's going to false for a few days but then it's silent. When the police set up shop in one of the false locations she will detect it earlier than she would have with a 9500ix.
    My problem is where is the "PASSPORT Max™ filters the true alerts, those from radar guns, from unwanted false alerts, such as automatic door openers and motion sensors, that competitor radar detectors cry ‘wolf’ to over and over again. PASSPORT Max™ reports with an accuracy that exceeds any other technology ever driven"

    I don't want to use true-lock to ignore false alerts and risk having a real alert ignored. Police here also seem to have their favorite spots and 3 times in a row in the same spot true-lock will ignore the real threat on the next run. I want the HD DNA filtering that was promised to distinguish through the DNA what is a real and false alert.
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    Re: Passport Max initial review

    OK so help me out here. Max was 5 years in the making... Then suddenly it's a rush to get it out the door, unfinished??? WHY? If you were perfecting it this long and its still not nowhere near perfect, then there's a problem if you are releasing it.

    Someone said this is how modern technology is dealt with. WRONG!! You don't work on something for years and then say, ahh the hell with it, let's put it out anyway.

    Too much marketing hype from Escort. Now the very same words and phrases they used can be thrown back at them.

    Please understand this isn't coming from a VR vs Escort perspective. This is bad marketing from a business who claims to be the leader in this field. Escort gets a guy in their back pocket to do the promoting. Wow of course he's gonna say it's the best ever. But now we see that's it not, YET!

    But I got to hand it to them, they knew people would bite and pre-order the thing even if it's not ready. Poor sheep! LOL
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    Re: Passport Max initial review

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    Holy smoley, what a concept! If you are really serious, I'll take you up on that. Don't of course, have a Max, but I sure have a sht!tload of just about everything else.

    Since I don't have an Android, would you be willing to set of them on default mode, and the other tweaked out how you see fit, and label them accordingly. I'll test 'em with your configs.

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    Re: Passport Max initial review

    Quote Originally Posted by midd View Post
    OK so help me out here. Max was 5 years in the making... Then suddenly it's a rush to get it out the door, unfinished??? WHY? If you were perfecting it this long and its still not nowhere near perfect, then there's a problem if you are releasing it.

    Someone said this is how modern technology is dealt with. WRONG!! You don't work on something for years and then say, ahh the hell with it, let's put it out anyway.

    Too much marketing hype from Escort. Now the very same words and phrases they used can be thrown back at them.
    screams someone in upper management tired of losing money on this project and needing to turn numbers around. couple that with the first 1000 units "incentives" and then the "expert-reviews" on how amazing this RD is and the rest takes care of itself through us, social media, advertising, etc.

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    Re: Passport Max initial review

    ehhh I'm not sure. These companies like to be the "first" for whatever reason. Yet the majority of consumers don't care about first. I would like to think the smart ones care about having the best or somewhere near it.

    If upper management was really that concerned, it would have chosen its marketing campaign a little better.

    Like I said, you would have thought they would have learned something from the Redline. I guess they want to fix the MAX later and get another pizza from the users....

    Quote Originally Posted by silentfury View Post
    screams someone in upper management tired of losing money on this project and needing to turn numbers around. couple that with the first 1000 units "incentives" and then the "expert-reviews" on how amazing this RD is and the rest takes care of itself through us, social media, advertising, etc.



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    Re: Passport Max initial review

    Quote Originally Posted by EscortRadar View Post
    Currently, in pre-production form, Max has better range than a RedLine using expert software in most circumstances. We are confident it will outperform RedLine in all circumstances when it ships. Having used them both I easily prefer Max due to it having TrueLock. TrueLock works very well on Max. I am seeing more X band signals than ever before and Max is storing and rejecting them perfectly. It stored three separate X band signals sequentially for me and the notifications let me know this. Speaking of which, you see the rejected signal and it's strength on the display after it has been stored but it will be grey.

    Do not assume that because Max uses a board on casting horn design that it performs like the M4 (which is very good mind you). Max performs far better.
    Of course it performs better than an M4. It's way quicker. Same antenna, drastically improved software. The question is, "Why not use the M3 instead?". This unit would have crushed it and blown all of us away, had Escort started with the better platform to begin with. And the rampup! How hard is it? Why can't Escort ever get the rampup right the first time? Why must we consumers bitch and complain for your engineers to fix it on every single detector you produce? Jeez!

    So disappointing. I'll buy one and test it, but I already know my STi-R Plus, with years old technology, is going to beat it.


 
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